Yes, I was referring to a toma (tomme). I live 40 minutes from the. Alps and 40 minutes from Barolo/Alba/Asti etc so wine and toma are a norm here, I have heard of toma alle vinacce and wasthinking of trying to make one this year, but I have wine now, so maybe I'll try the wine brine, then when the season comes I'll try the tomme au marc and let you know the different effects.