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Offline tnbquilt

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Blue cheese with pasteurized milk or raw milk
« on: June 29, 2013, 12:28:14 PM »
I was going through all of the posts trying to see if anybody makes blue type cheeses with raw milk. I know that the cheese has to age 60 days if you use raw milk, but aren't blue cheeses subject to listeria problems? I read that hard cheeses are not because of the low moister and high salt content, but I was wondering about blue cheeses.

I made my Stilton from raw milk, like I make all of my hard cheeses, but I'm not sure if that is good or not.

I found several articles on the internet about Stilton and listeria, so I was just wondering what other people do.

I can pasteurize the raw milk before making it, but it's tough to pasteurize 8 gallons of milk at a time. I usually make (2) 4 gallon batches of cheese at a time. I will probably just buy pasteurized milk for my next try.
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Re: Blue cheese with pasteurized milk or raw milk
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2013, 07:20:57 AM »
I know what you mean , I made a Brie and a Cambozola from unpasteurized milk , now I'm wondering if i should have done that.

It's sometimes hard to age some cheeses for over 60 days as they are at their peak in 6 weeks or so.

I put mine in the regular fridge after 30 days to keep them from ripening too fast , hopefully that will help.

I understand one of the things is the high acid environment that keeps aged cheese from hosting unwanted bacteria.

But I read that if they are not ripened at a warm enough temperature , they might not create the right environment for keeping the unwanted bacteria at bay , so now I'm not sure.

Someone like Linuxboy would know.

From now on , i will use pasteurized milk for my younger cheeses.

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Re: Blue cheese with pasteurized milk or raw milk
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2013, 07:38:00 AM »
My take on what the experienced (linuxboy, Sailor, et. al.) have told us is the danger is in the handling not the milk.  If you know your source and their sanitation and handling procedures are up to snuff, you should be fine.

That said, LB has also said that P/H milk is suitable for blues.  Nothing else, just blues.  So if you aren't comfortable with raw, buy a good quality P/H or pasteurized cream line milk.  I've really enjoyed my Stilton style cheeses made with P/H, although the cream line ones are slightly better. 

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Re: Blue cheese with pasteurized milk or raw milk
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2013, 07:51:45 AM »
I make all of my cheeses, including fresh ones, from raw milk.  I agree that as long as all safety precautions are taken with regards to milk extraction/handling (what the cows eat and how they live, how clean they are is also a consideration I make) raw milk should be fine.
Where I live raw milk is very strictly regulated, so we also have those regulations as an added safety net, but despite these health safety guidelines, I have seen the animals, how they live, where they are milked, and asked what they eat etc.  All of the milk is immediately refrigerated to 3 degrees celcius as required by law, there is a direct hose from the milking machine to the milk fridge. 

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Re: Blue cheese with pasteurized milk or raw milk
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2013, 09:33:20 AM »
I also make all my cheese with raw milk and have done at least 30 young cheese makes without any issues.  I know the milk handling since I'm the one that does it.  Raw milk keeps itself safe longer than pasteurized milk but I guess handling/sanitation is important to know......


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Re: Blue cheese with pasteurized milk or raw milk
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2013, 09:55:59 AM »
Here in the EC raw milk cheeses are allowed to be sold, as hard/semi hard cheeses that are aged over 60 days, without any warning on the label and the fresh ones with a warning.
Obstetricians will always warn pregnant women not to eat raw meat, raw fish and cheeses from unpasteurized milk because listeria is dangerous for their unborn child.
Thousends of childrens here on farms drink unpasteurized and uncooked milk every day...
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