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Ugly Munster Be Here
« on: March 08, 2014, 07:36:40 AM »
So I tried my hand at Jeff's Munster make.

Fail.

Literally no floc. As I write this I'm over an hour without even a hint of curd formation. Using a single strength calf rennet, and the Excel tool, I added 1.8ml of rennet initially. By minute 35, I added an additional 1.0ml solution, thinking not enough rennet.

Nada.

With no curd at min 50, I added another 2.0ml rennet solution. Thinking it's pretty much a bust at this point, I figured why not.

So at 1hr and 4 minutes, I see heating the milk to 175F and making a simple acid coagulated fresh cheese.

(Sigh)

Munster 1.  14/03/08

5:40 left milk to warm to room temp 21.5C

7:07 added CaCL temp 22.9C, put milk in double boiler with warm water

7:18 added 1 ice-cube buttermilk, 4tbsp creme fraiche, started to warm to 32C. temp 23.8C

7:30 temp 24.2C
7:54 temp 27.0C
8:08 temp 30.3C

8:16 temp 32.1C moved to water bath (32.9C) to ripen for 15m

8:31 rennet added, stirred gently to distribute, started timer @ 8:32, temp 32.0C
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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2014, 07:57:03 AM »
I suspect it's something to do with the light cream I used in place of 2 litres Silver Top (4% fat, 3.1% protein), as it's the only new ingredient.

I used Farmers light cream (5% fat). I've noticed now, well after the fact, that it has other ingredients; milk, cream, sodium citrate, sodium phosphate, carrageenan, locust bean gum and dextrose.
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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2014, 08:10:47 AM »
And a cartridge inuh bare tree ;)
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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2014, 08:27:42 AM »
And a cartridge inuh bare tree ;)

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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2014, 09:36:58 AM »
Yes, I have heard carrageenan and other additives in commercial cream inhibits coagulation.

Fresh cheese yes, or maybe you could use this make for yogurt, if you haven't added too much rennet? Just hold the temps at around 110 F for seven or eight hours.
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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2014, 11:03:37 AM »
Well, I ended up with a goodly amount of fresh cheese. Thankfully, I have two greyhounds who love cheese curds. In facts, they're fascinated with the whole process.
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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2014, 12:15:19 PM »
And a cartridge inuh bare tree ;)

Yes , you really gotta read those ingredients list. ;D
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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2014, 01:35:15 PM »
And a cartridge inuh bare tree ;)

Yes , you really gotta read those ingredients list. ;D
I wouldn't have known even if I had. I only suspected the ingredients until after the fail.

Of course, now I do.

When I went back, I read all the milks and creams.

Skim, 1%, 2% and Whole milk contained just milk. Light Cream 5%, the one I used and the only one close to Jeff's make, had ingredients. 10% didn't, then 18% did and 35% didn't. Geez... ;)

I'm going to try again but with 18%, amount adjusted to keep the PF ratio.

Correction; 10%

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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2014, 02:44:50 PM »
That's a shame, but at least you got some fresh cheese out of it.  A lot depends upon the milk, and different places treat the milk differently so get ready to tweak any protocol that you find.  It looks like you can mix higher fat cream with skim milk to get the p:f ratio since the other creams don't have the additives.  Once you make the cream "light", it doesn't taste or act like cream anymore, so they have to add other stuff in to emulate the action of cream for cooking, etc.  Just doesn't give you emulated cheese it appears.

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Re: Ugly Munster Be Here
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2014, 03:00:06 PM »
Heh heh heh...I'll start a new thread later, but 2nd batch flocc'ed at 11m20s!

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