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Plyban cheesecloth + Starsan = ???
« on: November 07, 2014, 03:01:22 PM »
I've been wondering this for a while now.

Here's what I do:
The evening before I make a cheese, I soak everything in diluted Starsan for 45-60 seconds proper sanitation. I don't rinse and let dry overnight.

Here's the possible problem:
The following day, the plyban cheesecloth has a very strong odour, possibly the phosphoric acid from the Starsan. So I rinse it in tap water and the odour leaves.

The question:
How safe is Starsan (properly diluted) on softer materials like plyban cheesecloth or Kadova netting? All my other stainless steel or hard plastic materials don't suffer from this strong smell. I've used my current plyban strip countless times and it hasn't degraded or anything, but still, I,m wondering.

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Re: Plyban cheesecloth + Starsan = ???
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2014, 03:20:55 PM »
This may or may not help, heres the msds for star-san

PRODUCT TECH SHEET
Star San HB
REV. 07/03
A high foam, final acid anionic rinse for use in the meat, beverage and food industries.
_________________________________________________ _______________________
 BENEFITS
 Leaves Tanks and Equipment Spotless.
 Not Affected by Organic Materials
 Accepted by USDA
 DESCRIPTION
STAR SAN HB is a blend of phosphoric acid and dodecylbenzenesulfonic acid. This synergistic blend provides a unique synergistic system that is unaffected by excessive organic soils. STAR SAN HB is also a self-foaming acid anionic detergent. It can be applied through a foamer to produce self-adhering foam or manual application. Cleaning with STAR SAN HB on a daily basis will leave equipment in an acid condition that will eliminate water spotting, mineral build-up, and corrosion. It is not recommended to use STAR SAN HB on soft metals because of the acid nature of this product.
 PROPERTIES
APPEARANCE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ………... . . LIGHT BROWN
ODOR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ………... .. . SLIGHTLY ALCOHOLIC
PHOSPHATE CONTENT AS % Phosphorus . . . ... ………... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . 5.8%
SPECIFIC GRAVITY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ………. . . .1.320
PRODUCT TECH SHEET
Star San HB
REV. 07/03
 GENERAL USE DIRECTIONS
Brewing Tanks – Once the equipment has been properly cleaned make up a final acid anionic rinse using STAR SAN HB as follows: In every barrel of water add 7 fluid ounces, circulate for a minimum of 3 minutes at ambient temperatures. Just prior to start-up rinse with potable water and follow state and local Health Department regulations covering start up sanitation.
Part Soaking- In a 5 gallon bucket add 4 gallons of water and 2 ounces of STARSAN HB. Once all parts have been removed from equipment and hand washed allow them to soak in the STARSAN HB solution for a minimum of 5 minutes. Remove parts from solution. Reassemble wet parts on equipment to reduce the possibility of water spotting or any other undesirable conditions to occur, rinse equipment with potable water. Follow State and Local Health Department Regulations covering start up sanitation.
 COMPLIANCE
Always sanitize equipment just prior to start up with a suitable sanitizer as required by local public health regulations.
 SAFETY
DANGER: Corrosive to skin and eye, contains Phosphoric Acid. Harmful if swallowed. Do not get in eyes, on skin or on clothing. Wear protective goggles and clothing when using. Avoid contamination of food. DO NOT MIX STARSAN HB with chlorinated cleaners as chlorine gas will result. See Label for more precautionary information. Contains Phosphoric Acid. A known corrosive.
FIRST AID:
For Eyes: Hold eyes open and rinse slowly and gently with water for 15-20 minutes. Remove contact lenses, if present, after the first five minutes. Then continue rinsing. Call Poison Control Center or doctor for treatment advice.
If Swallowed: Call Poison Control Center or doctor immediately for treatment advice. Have person sip on a glass of water if able to swallow. Do not induce vomiting unless told to do so by the Poison Control doctor. Do not give anything to an unconscious person.
If on Skin or Clothing: Take off contaminated clothing. Rinse skin immediately with plenty of water for 15-20 minutes. Call Poison Control Center for treatment advice.
If Inhaled: Move person to fresh air. If person is not breathing call 911 or an ambulance, then give artificial respiration, preferably mouth-to-mouth if possible. Call a Poison Control Center or doctor for treatment.
NOTE TO PHYSICIAN: Probable mucosal damage may contraindicate the use of gastric lavage. Measure against circulatory shock, respiratory depression and convulsion may be needed.


Maybe someone else will jump in here and clarify.
I thought I read somewhere not to use this with cloth, be danged if i can find it now
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Re: Plyban cheesecloth + Starsan = ???
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2014, 04:12:37 AM »
Thanks HKJ!

I can't find info on cloth or soft plastics either. I'll send them an email and report back.

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Re: Plyban cheesecloth + Starsan = ???
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2014, 11:40:41 AM »
  Some discrepancies seem to appear on the directions of my bottle of Star-San---it says to spray or soak parts, and let dry, but must remain wet for at least one minute,do not rinse. Since potable water means it's safe to drink but not necessarily sterile----makes me wonder. It says not to use on wood or other soft materials. I use it on everything--(including plastic) but my cheese cloth---that I boil. I'm not crazy about the film it leaves and have often questioned if it affects my cheese in any way.
 I know, that doesn't answer the question---just brings up more questions.  Sorry.
Qdog