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Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« on: May 17, 2009, 09:35:54 PM »
I made 5 little Havartis using Paul Dixsons recipe with store bought milk to see what the difference is using the same recipe I used last week and with no coloring for the guys at work.

I did notice right away the curds are not as clean looking and well defined as with the raw milk. I also noted that it's not as creamy tasting as the raw milk.  I guess now it's just a mater of waiting to see the real difference.


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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2009, 07:14:53 PM »
How many gallons did you use?Did you use any calcium chloride?

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2009, 08:31:55 PM »
I used about 4 1/2 gallons of store bought milk and I didn't use any calcium cloride.

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 09:49:20 PM »
I use store bought milk too,I noticed that after I started using calcium Chloride,I got better results.I was amazed at how much of a difference it made.

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2009, 01:17:53 PM »
I use store bought milk too,I noticed that after I started using calcium Chloride,I got better results.I was amazed at how much of a difference it made.

Same here.

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2009, 05:55:41 PM »
I didn't use calcium chloride because it wasn't called for in the recipe for some reason even though the recipe called for pasteurized milk.

The first batch I made:
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I used raw milk and this batch was for comparison purposes exactly according to the recipe except for adding the dill.

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2009, 11:16:25 PM »
Any time you use store bought milk,calcium chloride should be used.It just seems to work better.

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2009, 08:41:22 PM »
Looks good, but the ones you made with raw are probably going to be above and beyond better.
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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 02:22:54 AM »
I definately like the raw milk better in every recipe so far. More creamy.

In this recipe Peter Dixon did not use raw milk or calcium chloride. I wondered why - he knows better than I do. I guess we'll see why soon.

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2009, 11:39:36 AM »
It depends where he gets his milk from. Pastuerized milk from a place making cheese is totally different from pasteurized milk in the store. The store bought stuff is held long and high temp, milk being pasteurized for cheese is low and short. When that happens you don't need CACL2, it curdles perfectly just like raw milk.
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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 10:20:06 PM »
I can not for the life of me remember where I got the milk. I am thinking it was BJs. I was rather pleased with the result although not as creamy has raw milk.

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 06:53:13 AM »
any update on these cheeses? They must be ready for eating. How do they compare for flavor? Are you satisfied with your recipe or would you change anything?

I also wonder about herbs being mixed evenly or did you find concentrations in certain areas?

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Re: Made 5 little Havartis with Store bought milk to compare
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 11:35:56 PM »
oh gee sorry! I forgot about this thread. I brought them to work a few weeks back. We have bagels on Mondays. They were very good and the herb flavor was well dispersed. I think if anything I might add a tiny bit more dill - I really love dill. Everyone at work said it was perfect. I thought a tad drier than I would have liked. It melted well but I think next time I will vacuum seal after about a month. I like my havarti almost spreadable but not quite - but that's me. I've bought it much drier than mine was.

I did enjoy the Havarti with the raw milk better it was softer and creamier.