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My first attempt at Camembert
« on: March 06, 2016, 10:27:42 PM »
First of all, hats off to this forum and the many of you that have posted on the topic of camemberts.  I am very grateful.  The recipe I decided to follow was taken from Mal's "malembert" recipe and also Andy's "camembert #2 post.  These on top of reading Peter Dixons recipe, Gianaclis Caldwells recipe, and watching Gavin Webbers video made me feel like I could attempt a shot at it... 

Recipe:

2 gallons whole milk - Pasteurized but non-homogonized
3 cups of heavy cream - Pasteurized but non-homogonized
1/4 tsp Flora Danica
1/16 tsp PC - ABL
1/32 tsp Geo 13
1/4 tsp CaCl
1/2 tsp calf rennet in 1/4c non-chlorinated water

Started at 12:00 noon
Starting PH was 6.67

Milk and cream into the vat and stirred well to blend
Lowered into the hot water bath.  Water at 120f

12:40 milk arrived at 90f  (temp had stalled at 80f because the bath had gone too cool so I had to warm the water bath to bring it up to 90f)
Sprinkled on the cultures and molds and let sit to re-hydrate for 2 minutes.

12:42 stirred in cultures and molds well then let sit for 90 minutes.  Vat was out of bath on counter and wrapped in towel to try and preserve temp.

At the end of 90 minutes the PH was 6.61 and temp  had fallen to 86.  I set it back into the bath for a few minutes and heat climbed back close to 90f.  Pulled it back out on the counter.

2:22pm - added the diluted rennet and stirred for a minute or so

Flocculation at 8:25 x 6 = 49.5.  I took it 50 minutes from 2:22 and cut at 3:12pm.

Cut into 1" columns and 1" horizontal to the best of my ability.

Stirred for 15 minutes bringing bottom to top slowly then rested for 15 minutes.  Prepared the forms to receive the curd.

PH=6.41 after stirring

After 15 minute rest, drained the whey down to the level of the curds then ladled them into the forms.  I filled the forms as much as they could take and kept filling them until they just wouldnt take anymore.  I had enough curd to fill 6 x 4" forms, 4" tall and still had a little left over that I had to toss.  Not enough to fill half of another form so I like the yield of curd I got.

The forms I used I had created earlier out of some cheap food storage containers that didnt have too much of a sloping side to them.  I was worried about their height not being tall enough to receive enough curd as to produce a final 1.5" disc.  The forms were 4" in diameter but only 2-7/8" tall.  My worry turned into an idea and I went and bought more at the store, came home and cut them about 3/8" below a little shelf they have built around them as a stacking stop to give me an "extension" ring that is also threaded.  This extends the height of the form another inch and fits snuggly into the first form.  It also allows me to screw the lid with drain holes onto it and I was able to flip the entire form with basically 4" x 4" of curd over easily.  Once the curds drained enough below the "extension", I could remove them and place the lid on the lower form.  At $.60 each, I think they worked out well, but time will tell as I am a long way away from success.

3:50pm forms filled as much as they are going to take.
4:18pm draining had lowered the curds down a good 1/2" - 3/4" from the top
4:28pm put lids on "extensions" and flipped for first time

Flipped every 15 minutes until 6pm
6:00pm curd was firm enough to allow me to double flip in my hand to turn the curd upside down to round out the top side of the discs with the rounded bottom of the form.
Turned again at 6:30 before I left the house with the family for the evening.
Flipped again when I got home at 10:15pm

Covered them with cloth and left them overnight - ambient temperature was set at 68f
9:00am next morning. turned them over by hand to keep the rounded edges prominent on both sides.
PH=4.62
Disks measure about 1-5/8" tall

2:00pm took them out of the forms and weighed them.  Average = 10oz each

Placed them on rack with draining mat and measured a level 1tsp of diamond crystal kosher salt and placed it on top of each disc.  Placed disc in my hand at an angle so all salt fallout would land in the cupped palm of my hand and started to rub the top, then turned the disc over and poured the fallout on the bottom side and continued to rub the salt over the bottom, then placed the disc on its side and rotated it into my palm to rub the sides.  Then over the sink I just rubbed the disc all over removing any areas that I thought received more that other areas and evening it out as much as possible. 

2:10pm salting is complete

Placed on rack/mat and covered loosely with cloth to sit overnight.  Tomorrow morning I plan on putting them into my ripening box and into my 55f cheese cave before I go to work.

This is where we sit now ... I will follow up tomorrow as I continue...  -Ken

(pics to follow)



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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2016, 12:45:48 AM »
Ken, a great write up, and the results look spectacular. Can't wait to see how they look in a few weeks! Meanwhile, AC4U to tide you over while you wait. :)
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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2016, 01:20:55 AM »
Well I would have said no way those molds would work without lots more drainage, i.e. open ends, but you certainly made them work.  Your results look amazing.  How large are the cheeses? Diameter wise.  They look great!!  AC4U!!
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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2016, 02:55:26 AM »
Well I would have said no way those molds would work without lots more drainage, i.e. open ends, but you certainly made them work.  Your results look amazing.  How large are the cheeses? Diameter wise.  They look great!!  AC4U!!

Thanks for the cheese Al.  They are measuring in at 3-7/8" diameter and 1-5/8" in height. 

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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2016, 02:58:10 AM »
Ken, a great write up, and the results look spectacular. Can't wait to see how they look in a few weeks! Meanwhile, AC4U to tide you over while you wait. :)

Thanks Andy.  I appreciate all your help and support.  Thanks for the cheese also!


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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2016, 03:05:59 AM »
Question....  looking ahead ...

I have read the time to move to the colder fridge is either once the white mold is well established and covers the entire cheese and I have also read as soon as it is noticeable.  Any thoughts on when to move to the cold fridge?  Are there indicators I should be looking for?

Thanks, Ken



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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2016, 08:52:57 AM »
Your cheese are looking absolutely gorgeous! Meanwhile, a cheese for you for the 5-6 weeks wait.

I moved my cams to the cold fridge as soon as they are covered with the white mold, so far so good...
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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2016, 03:53:03 PM »
Question....  looking ahead ...

I have read the time to move to the colder fridge is either once the white mold is well established and covers the entire cheese and I have also read as soon as it is noticeable.  Any thoughts on when to move to the cold fridge?  Are there indicators I should be looking for?

Thanks, Ken

I am still experimenting with that variable. I have a suspicion, based on my last make when I was away for a few days and they stayed in the cave somewhat longer than usual, that perhaps waiting a bit longer before moving to the cold fridge leads to a cheese that is runnier when ripe. But it may be that my extra-runny result was just a fluke. Clearly, I will have to experiment repeatedly to establish any clear correlation. Too bad that means making lots more cams ... :)
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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 05:58:58 PM »
I've gone both ways but am now of the school that one moves the cheese to the cold fridge once the Geo covers most of the wheel.  If you wait too long to move then the Geo and PC will start to soften the cheese and it could become too runny, too soon.  Moving to the cold fridge slows down this process so that the paste has time to undergo its changes, which will occur even at cold fridge temps.

Your cheeses really look good and I like the aspect ratio (H/D).  I think you'll have success.  Great "write-up" with a good balance of cheese porn.  AC4U.   :)

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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 06:42:00 PM »
Small update ...

6am, day 3 ... cheese discs have sat out all night, covered with cheesecloth, on draining rack/mat after being salted at 2pm previous day (16hrs).  Flipped once during that time-frame.  This morning the surface feel had definitely changed to a much dryer feel but also a bit sticky.  I placed them into my ripening boxes and into 55f cave with lids closed.  RH will probably reach close to 95% and I will check on them tonight when I get home to give them a flip and some air. ...

-Ken

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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2016, 07:06:59 PM »
Sticky is good.  That's the Geo doing its work.   8)

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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2016, 08:26:56 PM »
Update... day 6 since the start of the make and curds went in the forms ...

... which brings up a question ... when I see comments regarding "this many days until you should start to see fuzzy's etc"  is that a timeline starting from when they went into the ripening boxes or when the first part of the make was completed?

I had three days before they were "dry" after salting and went into the ripening boxes ... I have read that it could be about a week for the PC to cover but that it is also affected by the fat content of the milk used.

As of last nights flip, there was no visible fuzz yet and even though my hygrometer was reading 97% RH and 55f inside the boxes, there is not much visible condensation on the sides or lids until, of course, I bring the boxes upstairs to flip them in 70f temperatures... then the lids condensate a bit.... There is a distinct smell difference when first opening the boxes than before ... I am assuming this is the PC/Geo starting to work its magic.  I am also wondering how my individual timeline will be altered due to heavy fat content used in my make.  I had used 2 gallons of 3.33% whole and 3 cups of 40% cream. 

I am content to let them go as long as they need to and let them tell me when they are ready for the cold fridge.  I plan on wrapping with paper due to the limited space in my family fridge and turning every two to three days. 

Hey, this is fun ... something to talk about every few days ....  usually it has been "hey, I just made this hard pressed cheese, put it in a bag, and well see ya all in a half a year or so ...  Not complaining, but I am liking this mold ripened experience so far ... Ken


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Re: My first attempt at Camembert
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2016, 09:16:45 PM »
In my experience what shows up is not so much "fuzz" but rather a flat white material that starts to soften the surface detail much like a snowfall covering items left lying on the lawn.  Take a look at the edges of the Cams in AnnDee's photos.