If that's so, this is great. In the meantime, a French manufacturer had just gotten back to me and will send me price list. they have an amazing selection, round, oval, square, rectangular, hexagon, hectagon, polygon, ring only, bottom only, ring with branding strip on top, micro crate, flat, tall, wide, narrow... Any combination of poplar, foil, cardboard and plastic you can imagine, with or without ventilation/view window. Gorgeous! It will take a while for the samples to show and to get a good price but I think this is the long term solution. I will post whatever I get from them here to see if anyone wants to order with me.