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Title: What is this for?
Post by: rosawoodsii on November 09, 2012, 05:31:01 PM
I was looking through my cheese cultures and came across a packet of Corynebacteria.  Then I did a search through all my cheese recipes and found absolutely nothing that calls for it.  I can't imagine why I bought it.  Can anyone enlighten me which cheeses I would use it for?
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: bbracken677 on November 09, 2012, 05:44:43 PM
I believe that is commonly referred to as b. linens. Lots of references to it in the forums.
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: H-K-J on November 09, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
From wikki
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Industrial uses

Nonpathogenic species of Corynebacterium are used for very important industrial applications, such as the production of amino acids,[19][20] nucleotides, and other nutritional factors (Martín, 1989); bioconversion of steroids;[21] degradation of hydrocarbons;[22] cheese aging;[23] and production of enzymes (Khurana et al., 2000). Some species produce metabolites similar to antibiotics: bacteriocins of the corynecin-linocin type,[15][24][25] antitumor agents,[26] etc. One of the most studied species is C. glutamicum, whose name refers to its capacity to produce glutamic acid in aerobic conditions.[27] It is used in the foods industry as monosodium glutamate (MSG) in the production of soy sauce and yogurt.
Species of Corynebacterium have been used in the mass production of various amino acids including glutamic acid, a food additive that is made at a rate of 1.5 million tons/ year. The metabolic pathways of Corynebacterium have been further manipulated to produce lysine and threonine.
Expression of functionally active human epidermal growth factor has been brought about in C. glutamicum,[28] thus demonstrating a potential for industrial-scale production of human proteins. Expressed proteins can be targeted for secretion through either the general secretory pathway (Sec) or the twin-arginine translocation pathway (Tat).[29]
Unlike Gram-negative bacteria, the Gram-positive Corynebacterium species lack lipopolysaccharides that function as antigenic endotoxins in humans.
I think I'm gettin another brain crap :o
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Mighty Mouse on November 09, 2012, 09:14:48 PM
I was looking through my cheese cultures and came across a packet of Corynebacteria.  Then I did a search through all my cheese recipes and found absolutely nothing that calls for it.  I can't imagine why I bought it.  Can anyone enlighten me which cheeses I would use it for?

Yes, I think that might be a French name for Brevibacterium linens as Doghead Dude (bbracken677) said. Not sure if you meant you are not familiar with B. linens or just that name but in case you are not familiar with B. linens, it is used in washed rind cheeses like limburger and morbier and muenster. Its what gives those cheeses a redish rind. Incidentally, it's the same species of bacteria that makes your feet smell. Cool huh? (mmmmm... toe jam cheese.... yummy!!).
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: rosawoodsii on November 10, 2012, 12:08:29 AM
Incidentally, it's the same species of bacteria that makes your feet smell. Cool huh? (mmmmm... toe jam cheese.... yummy!!).

Oh,yech!  Thanks a lot!  I'll never look at red rinds the same way again.  :-X

Yes, it was just the name that I wasn't familiar with.
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Mighty Mouse on November 10, 2012, 08:13:16 AM

Oh,yech!  Thanks a lot!  I'll never look at red rinds the same way again.  :-X

Yes, it was just the name that I wasn't familiar with.

Hey, still tastes good though, right?
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: bbracken677 on November 10, 2012, 02:20:41 PM

 as Doghead Dude (bbracken677) said.


LOL  My strange humor shows...I found the pic to be hilarious...a dog, dressed in a suit and tie, playing chess.   :)   

Love dogs, love chess, and love my ties!
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: rosawoodsii on November 10, 2012, 02:33:20 PM
Oh, no!  I just realized now that it IS a dog... (I thought it was a strange looking porker...)  I really need to wear my glasses more often.   ::)
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Tiffany on November 10, 2012, 04:12:57 PM
my son has the stinkiest feet on earth!  no kidding.  maybe I can just soak his feet and use the water in my cheese. :D ???
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... sorry .. couldnt resisit..
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: bbracken677 on November 11, 2012, 01:38:25 AM
my son has the stinkiest feet on earth!  no kidding.  maybe I can just soak his feet and use the water in my cheese. :D ???
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... sorry .. couldnt resisit..

Just soak his feet, add salt (2.5% by weight) and then use it as a rind wash!!   

umm...NO!  lol
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Tiffany on November 11, 2012, 02:23:02 AM
Well seriously, have to wonder where they come up with some of this stuff.  If they use the gland under the tounge powdered for lipase, and stomach lining for rennet, what else are they using.  Who first decided, hey let's take this glandy thing under this goats tounge, dry it in the sun, powder it and throw it in some milk and see what happens... Ya know what I mean...
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: bbracken677 on November 11, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
Same with foods...certain items just dont (in my mind) lend themselves to being viewed as normal food...so who was the first person to go, "Hey! I am going to try to eat this...)
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Mighty Mouse on November 12, 2012, 04:50:12 AM
Same with foods...certain items just dont (in my mind) lend themselves to being viewed as normal food...so who was the first person to go, "Hey! I am going to try to eat this...)

Great example: Cows' milk. "Hey, you know what! I have an idea! Remember how when we were babies and when we got hungry and cried our mothers.... well, lets try doing that to that cow over there!"

Don't even get me started on Rocky Mountain Oysters. What kinda sick mo fo decided that was a good idea? Of course as strange as it is to think about the first person to try Rocky Mountain Oysters, that weirdness is quickly eclipsed by the fact that people STILL eat them.... BLAH!

The examples are endless!
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: rosawoodsii on November 12, 2012, 12:27:16 PM
Same with foods...certain items just dont (in my mind) lend themselves to being viewed as normal food...so who was the first person to go, "Hey! I am going to try to eat this...)

Great example: Cows' milk. "Hey, you know what! I have an idea! Remember how when we were babies and when we got hungry and cried our mothers.... well, lets try doing that to that cow over there!"

Don't even get me started on Rocky Mountain Oysters. What kinda sick mo fo decided that was a good idea? Of course as strange as it is to think about the first person to try Rocky Mountain Oysters, that weirdness is quickly eclipsed by the fact that people STILL eat them.... BLAH!

I rather think the milk usage was started when a mother died or whatever and couldn't feed her child.  In order to keep the baby alive, members of the tribe/community/family group/whatever were forced to find a way to get milk for that child.

So far as Rocky Mountain Oysters, brains, tripe, and other organ meats, nothing sick about it.  My grandfather used to use "everything but the squeal" on animals he raised for meat.  To do less is to waste a portion of that animal whose life was taken.  I'm sure that practice started back in the days of hunter/gatherers, when people didn't turn up their nose at such things.  If being "civilized" means being wasteful and taking life thoughtlessly, then that's sicker, IMO, then using the whole animal.

I think the difference in attitudes is between city people and farm types.
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Tiffany on November 12, 2012, 12:48:17 PM
I agree Joy
Living in the country we use allot of the animals we butcher or hunt.  NOT as much as cultures have used in the past, but allot more than most.  What isn't used by US, is recycled to out pigs, chickens or dogs. Proving them with a natural and healthy diet.  We have wonderful free range eggs, juicy fresh pork, and out dogs are healthy, and able to run down squirrels and rabbits.  Not being over loaded with carb foods.  If it cannot be fed, it is composted and eventually fed to the garden OR incinerated and the ash is used on the garden as well.  We have become a society of waste.  Having too much food that we feel tossing it in the trash is ok.  We are hunter gathers here, hunting nearly every season, cept rabbit.  Rabbit meat has no nutritional value eaten so we don't waste the life.  I hunt plants and wild mushrooms in the forests. Canning, freezing and drying my finds.  Apx 10 years ago we both worked more than full time and made apx 85,000 a year.  We both lost jobs, me first and 4 years later my husband.  We not make $12,000 a year. But we have 5 freezers full of meat, veggies and other things and I don't even wish to count jars.  We teach people how to become self sufficient.   Cheese making was a natural addition to our way of living.  With that said... I'm late to get off my duff and milk.  I'm gonna have 4 gals wondering where the hell the milk maid is at. 
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Mighty Mouse on November 12, 2012, 07:31:28 PM
Same with foods...certain items just dont (in my mind) lend themselves to being viewed as normal food...so who was the first person to go, "Hey! I am going to try to eat this...)

Great example: Cows' milk. "Hey, you know what! I have an idea! Remember how when we were babies and when we got hungry and cried our mothers.... well, lets try doing that to that cow over there!"

Don't even get me started on Rocky Mountain Oysters. What kinda sick mo fo decided that was a good idea? Of course as strange as it is to think about the first person to try Rocky Mountain Oysters, that weirdness is quickly eclipsed by the fact that people STILL eat them.... BLAH!

I rather think the milk usage was started when a mother died or whatever and couldn't feed her child.  In order to keep the baby alive, members of the tribe/community/family group/whatever were forced to find a way to get milk for that child.

So far as Rocky Mountain Oysters, brains, tripe, and other organ meats, nothing sick about it.  My grandfather used to use "everything but the squeal" on animals he raised for meat.  To do less is to waste a portion of that animal whose life was taken.  I'm sure that practice started back in the days of hunter/gatherers, when people didn't turn up their nose at such things.  If being "civilized" means being wasteful and taking life thoughtlessly, then that's sicker, IMO, then using the whole animal.

I think the difference in attitudes is between city people and farm types.

I see. Well now I feel like a jackass city boy :)
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: margaretsmall on November 12, 2012, 09:10:41 PM
Rocky Mountain oysters? Are they what I think they are? i.e. crown jewels in Osspeak?
Margaret
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Mighty Mouse on November 12, 2012, 09:19:16 PM
Rocky Mountain oysters? Are they what I think they are? i.e. crown jewels in Osspeak?
Margaret


Well I am not complete sure what "crown jewels in Osspeak" means but "crown jewels" would be a good term ;)
Here is a good description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_oysters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_oysters)

I actually used to live in CO where Rocky Mountain Oysters are more common. Never tried them though (blah!). The thought still bothers me- "wasteful" or not.
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: rosawoodsii on November 12, 2012, 10:39:10 PM
I actually used to live in CO where Rocky Mountain Oysters are more common. Never tried them though (blah!). The thought still bothers me- "wasteful" or not.

Ah, but if you were offered some and didn't know what they were, you'd think they were great! ;)
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: rosawoodsii on November 12, 2012, 10:41:04 PM
I see. Well now I feel like a jackass city boy :)
;D  Well, the fact that you're making your own cheese means you're definitely moving away from that!
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Mighty Mouse on November 13, 2012, 12:48:26 AM
I see. Well now I feel like a jackass city boy :)

 ;D  Well, the fact that you're making your own cheese means you're definitely moving away from that!


lol, or it could mean I am a yuppie wine and cheese snob who is dabbling ;)

Alright, confession time- The real truth is that I did spend most of my childhood on a Ranch in California.
That said, I still think bull whoo-has are nasty for food!! Though I agree, if they were served to me when I live in CO and I had not idea what they were, well... here is a video: http://youtu.be/Qq4mqCDakVQ (http://youtu.be/Qq4mqCDakVQ)

[edit: messaged shortened with friendly humor retained. In hindsight this was all way off topic and contributed very little to the original post despite being reminiscent]
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: rosawoodsii on November 13, 2012, 04:34:14 AM
although my Uncle does have a degree in agriculture (of some sort) and did study dairy in college. As a kid I remember him telling us all kinds of weird things they did in college with dairy.
Weird stuff is right!  Only people with degrees in agriculture (like college professors) would think of feeding "chicken litter" (that's chicken poop) to goats and sheep because "it's so high in protein, so it's a quality feed".  Yech!  Farmers who use common sense wouldn't even consider it!

Having lived outside of Denver myself for a while, I think those suburbs qualify as city. ;)
Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Mighty Mouse on November 13, 2012, 04:55:57 AM
although my Uncle does have a degree in agriculture (of some sort) and did study dairy in college. As a kid I remember him telling us all kinds of weird things they did in college with dairy.
Weird stuff is right!  Only people with degrees in agriculture (like college professors) would think of feeding "chicken litter" (that's chicken poop) to goats and sheep because "it's so high in protein, so it's a quality feed".  Yech!  Farmers who use common sense wouldn't even consider it!

Having lived outside of Denver myself for a while, I think those suburbs qualify as city. ;)

Ho cra-ud!
I got curious and looked up the town I used to live in population is over 100,000. Yeah, I would say that is not a smaller town like I remember it. I must have lived in a small town feel neighborhood or something. Of course I was only 7-8, can't hold my memory accountable now can we.