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Title: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: Cheese Head on August 21, 2009, 06:11:17 PM
Below compilation updated with three additional Havarti Making Recipes (http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,1934.0.html) supplied by member DeejayDebi (many thanks).

I've never made Havarti but after last weekend's two washed curd Gouda's I want to try a different washed curd cheese as they don't need high pressing weights and are relatively short aging time.

To help understand the method I've summarized five surprisingly quite different Havarti recipes by each step, hoping it will invite discussion of others experiences and recommendations, and other Havarti recipes, and thereby enable me to go work quicker up the learning curve (my comments in brackets):

GENERAL
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Danlac:

STEP #1: MILK PREPARATION
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:

STEP #2: STARTER CULTURE
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:

STEP #3: RIPENING
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:

STEP #4: RENNETING
Your choice and amount.
Danlac:

STEP #5: CUTTING CURD
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:

STEP #6: COOKING CUT CURD
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:

STEP #7: WASHING CURDS
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:

STEP #8: PRESSING
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:

STEP #9: SALTING
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:

STEP #10: AGING
Peter Dixon:
Debra 200:
Margaret Morris:
Danlac:
Member Debi:
Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: Cheese Head on August 21, 2009, 06:20:58 PM
The above two recipes are the only Havarti ones I can find and they are very different:

Also, no pre-pressing in whey stage like with Gouda.

Also also, I built a Havarti Cheese info Webpage (http://cheeseforum.org/Cheese/Havarti/Havarti.htm) a year ago with pictures of several manufactured Havarti's including flavoured ones:
Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: Cheese Head on August 28, 2009, 01:37:14 PM
To OP (Original Post), added three more Havarti Cheese making recipes (http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,1934.0.html) supplied by member Debi.

In summary, washing and pressing time and methods vary, brine concentrations vary and Debi uses her whey rather than water as base, aging methods are wax coating, vacuum bagging, and natural rind.

All these will result in slightly different Havartis!
Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: Zoey on September 01, 2009, 10:11:12 AM

Hmm, I wonder what the default milk fat percentage is, since not many mention any. In Finland they sell milk with 0 - 3,5% fat, so according to Danlac I could use 3,5%? Any ideas?

Anyhow, thanks John, I'm pretty sure I will follow some of these directions while making my first havarti (hopefully this evening).

Going to use my typical 10 liter batch (largest pan I have) with store-bought buttermilk culture.

I was already wondering elsewhere, what might be the difference between "Cream Havarti" and just "Havarti". I did some research on the final products' fat content, and didn't see much difference, so I'm assuming it's just a quality/flavor/texture thing. Well anyway, while I'm seeking the "Cream" quality, it somehow feels right to use the 3,5% fat milk (I know it's not whole, but it's the closest I can get with store-bought).

I'm wondering whether to use the b.linens smear ripening process or one of the others. Debra's version seems the simplest, since I wouldn't need the b.linens, wax or vacuum. But doesn't the cheese grow mold in that scenario? I've never been able to hold a moist uncovered cheese mold-free, and I'm doubting I would get the temperature and moisture levels stable enough to ensure that. (since I don't own any equipment)

I've read from here that many people get mold-under-wax. That doesn't sound appealing either, and I've never waxed anything (but have a wax-supply on my way from work so could try it).

How about the b.linens then? How dependent are those of the exact right ripening conditions?

Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: DeejayDebi on September 02, 2009, 03:44:49 AM
You could just suck the air out of a plastic bag and twist it tightly and tie it off. That might last a little while. Havarti dries out quickly. If you want it creamy you could 1) add a portion of cream say 1/2 liter of your 10 liter batch or try sealing it in a bag within a few days of drying.

Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: Zoey on September 02, 2009, 06:07:33 AM

Hmm, thanks Debi,
I might try that bag thing.

I just found out a fantastic thing; my fridge seems to have a fruit department that is around 12-13 degrees celsius. Whoa, I'm lucky. I never even thought of measuring the temp since the fridge has a digital thermometer which is at 7C. Well, it seems that's just the truth for some of the space (probably what's near the cooler thingies).

Since I don't want to hi-jack John's excellent post, I'll probably be posting about my havarti in a separate one soon.
Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: siegfriedw on September 03, 2009, 05:38:40 PM
I have the Peter Dixon version in a mold now. Will dry salt and vacuum pack.
Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: DeejayDebi on September 03, 2009, 10:57:29 PM

Hmm, thanks Debi,
I might try that bag thing.

I just found out a fantastic thing; my fridge seems to have a fruit department that is around 12-13 degrees celsius. Whoa, I'm lucky. I never even thought of measuring the temp since the fridge has a digital thermometer which is at 7C. Well, it seems that's just the truth for some of the space (probably what's near the cooler thingies).

Mine has a "cheese drawer" basically keeps it at 45 degrees but very short and always full!
Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: jkatz1 on July 30, 2010, 06:01:30 PM
What is the purpose of the calcium chloride in the natural rind washing solution? I made two wheels of havarti, which are aging in the fridge, and we are debating about how to age them. We don't have any wax or vacuum sealing, so we'd like to do a natural rind, but are skeptical about the washing solution described here. Any thoughts on the topic?
Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: 9mmruger on July 30, 2010, 06:33:55 PM
The CaCl2 in the brine solution keeps the brine from leaching the calcium from the cheese.  I often do my brineing in the whey to keep this from happening. 
Title: Re: Havarti Cheese Making: Five Recipes Compared
Post by: Alex on July 31, 2010, 02:32:45 PM
What is the purpose of the calcium chloride in the natural rind washing solution? I made two wheels of havarti, which are aging in the fridge, and we are debating about how to age them. We don't have any wax or vacuum sealing, so we'd like to do a natural rind, but are skeptical about the washing solution described here. Any thoughts on the topic?

There is no need to add CaCl to the washing solution.