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Title: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: Sailor Con Queso on February 22, 2011, 05:23:38 AM
I have discovered a major discrepancy (to me) in the bacterial description for LH100. Everyone is in agreement that the culture contains Lactobacillus helveticus. However, the companion bacteria is mislabeled by EVERY major supplier. From their websites...

Glengarry - Lactococcus lactis (the most incorrect)
New England Cheese Supply - Lactobacillus lactis (seemed indifferent)
Dairy Connection - Lactobacillus lactis (they have acknowledged the error)

According to the data sheet from Danisco it is actually Lactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. lactis.

The difference may seem trivial, but it's not. Lb delbrueckii (and Lb casei) are referred to as "morgue bacteria" as they take over the maturation process once the lactic bacteria die off. They are important adjuncts that enhance flavor and aroma. They reduce ripening time for aged cheeses yet are beneficial for texturing all types of cheeses. Lactobacilli break down peptides that are a byproduct of protein degradation from the lactic bacteria. So they are very helpful for preventing residual bitterness. Many commercial producers use Lactobacilli adjuncts.
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: ArnaudForestier on February 22, 2011, 12:56:42 PM
I have discovered a major discrepancy (to me) in the bacterial description for LH100. Everyone is in agreement that the culture contains Lactobacillus helveticus. However, the companion bacteria is mislabeled by EVERY major supplier. From their websites...

Glengarry - Lactococcus lactis (the most incorrect)
New England Cheese Supply - Lactobacillus lactis (seemed indifferent)
Dairy Connection - Lactobacillus lactis (they have acknowledged the error)

According to the data sheet from Danisco it is actually Lactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. lactis.

The difference may seem trivial, but it's not. Lb delbrueckii (and Lb casei) are referred to as "morgue bacteria" as they take over the maturation process once the lactic bacteria die off. They are important adjuncts that enhance flavor and aroma. They reduce ripening time for aged cheeses yet are beneficial for texturing all types of cheeses. Lactobacilli break down peptides that are a byproduct of protein degradation from the lactic bacteria. So they are very helpful for preventing residual bitterness. Many commercial producers use Lactobacilli adjuncts.

GREAT pickup, Sailor.  It's because of this that I ordered DC's feta blend, hopeful of getting some delbrueckii.  I have to change that order, now. 
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: zenith1 on February 22, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
Sailor- I had picked up on that earlier when I was placing an order but never thought at the time to post about it. Good post, it shows your attention to details.
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: Brie on February 23, 2011, 01:00:27 AM
Thanks Sailor-that really does explain everything. Did you contact NE Cheesemaking to ask what their LL is? Very interesting....
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: Sailor Con Queso on February 23, 2011, 02:41:25 PM
LH100 is supplied by Danisco and is the same for everyone. The LL at New England is labeled wrong for the LH100. In other cultures the LL can mean LactoCOCCUS lactis which is a primary lactic bacteria. Winsconsin even calls it the state bacteria.
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: DeejayDebi on February 23, 2011, 05:32:47 PM
Sometime around like 1989  think they started re-naming the bacteria cultures for some reason which I don't pretend to understand. I think this may have lead to some confusion with some of the distribtors. Some use the old and some use the new. I had a list somewhere of both names I will try to find it.
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: arkc on May 15, 2011, 05:54:50 PM
No one ever posted the old and new names, so I am posting a link that should be helpful.

http://www.dairyforall.com/starterculture.php (http://www.dairyforall.com/starterculture.php)

annie
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: ANDREARK on May 18, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
This link didn't work.

chasemom
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: Boofer on May 18, 2011, 07:45:18 PM
This link didn't work.

chasemom
Works for me. Perhaps your computer doesn't understand ".php" files?

-Boofer-
Title: Re: LH100 - A Major Discrepancy
Post by: ANDREARK on May 18, 2011, 08:10:54 PM
Tried it again, , , it worked.

chasermom