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CHEESE TYPE BOARDS (for Cheese Lovers and Cheese Makers) => ADJUNCT - Blue Mold (Penicillium roqueforti) Ripened => Topic started by: H-K-J on February 03, 2013, 07:38:56 PM
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OH the smell of a new Stilton,
I used some FD in this one and did the 8 hour light press before milling and salting.
It is in the hoop and bein flipped, MMMmmmmmmm!!!! ^-^ :) :D ;D 8)
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Looks really good so far...best of luck! I have 2 in the cave. One done right and the other that I attempted to apply a light press to eliminate some of the voids and left it in the press inadvertently for a looong time. I suspect that one is just going to be a white stilton with the wild rind lol
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Very nice H-K-J
I did a 10lb press on mine for about 8 hours. How much weight did you use for 10 hours?
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Looking great buddy!!! Hey, the gaps go away by themselves, no need to press! LOL
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Very nice H-K-J
I did a 10lb press on mine for about 8 hours. How much weight did you use for 10 hours?
Shot
I use 8 to 9 lbs of flat bar, the flat bar stays on top of the cutting board, no need to watch other than a little centering at first.
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After 16 hours it has lost some height about 3/4 in.
But man this sure smells Goooooooood! ^-^
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Looks good too!!! ;D
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I will be stepping up to a large one for my second. Curiously, what were your ph targets?
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Is that all of the curd from the 5 gallon batch in the first mould picture and what are the dimensions of the mould?
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6" x 9 1/2"
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thanks, just trying to get a feel for the differant size hoops needed for differant volumes.
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I don't know, I have been thinkin about a smoked Stilton :o
Not sayin I would do this one, but maybe a 2 or 3 gallon make just to check it out ???
HHHHmmmmmm????
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Thinking about buying a new smoker this weekend, or tomorrow, so I can make salami. Know anything about MasterForge? I'm looking at an electric one that goes down to 100F so I can smoke cheese and cold smoke hams and Cotta Salami.
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Know anything about Master Forge?
Nope I haven't checked them out.
Today is day five of flipping so I will be smoothing this over later today,
going to try the knife thing I think I found the perfect one to do this with.
It has started to get some blue in the little cracks 8)
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I don't know, I have been thinkin about a smoked Stilton :o
Not sayin I would do this one, but maybe a 2 or 3 gallon make just to check it out ???
HHHHmmmmmm????
Have you tried the Salem Smokehaus blue? I am not usually into smoked cheese, but I like this one. The strength of the blue holds up to the smoke. I bet it depends what wood you use. I think Smokehaus is cold smoked with applewood.
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Might have to try that one, although it may be hard to find here.
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Thinking about buying a new smoker this weekend, or tomorrow, so I can make salami. Know anything about MasterForge? I'm looking at an electric one that goes down to 100F so I can smoke cheese and cold smoke hams and Cotta Salami.
i don't mean to derail this thread any, but here's a couple different ways to do salamis
http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/713/frys-smoke-house/p1 (http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/713/frys-smoke-house/p1)
http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/140/dry-cured-smoked-venison-salami#Item_18 (http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/140/dry-cured-smoked-venison-salami#Item_18)
and with that one, he is able to take it apart and store it flat so it's not taking up a bunch of room when not in use.
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Might have to try that one, although it may be hard to find here.
I've gotten it from Atkinson's before. I'm in Idaho, so it may not be as hard as you think.
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HB, I don't have a Atkinson's around here I am going to check a couple other stores I think might have it.
BTW decided to wait a little longer on the smoothing of the Stilton
Started to slip the mold off and it didn't seem as solid as the last make I did,
I took a pic off what I saw and man O man is the PR takin off on this one, Haven't seen this much blue on any of the others I made.
WOW!!
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Looks beautiful!
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Looks great but that would be unusual on one of my Stilton makes. Blue never shows up until 5 days after the mold is off. :o
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I don't know, I have been thinkin about a smoked Stilton :o
Not sayin I would do this one, but maybe a 2 or 3 gallon make just to check it out ???
HHHHmmmmmm????
Have you tried the Salem Smokehaus blue? I am not usually into smoked cheese, but I like this one. The strength of the blue holds up to the smoke. I bet it depends what wood you use. I think Smokehaus is cold smoked with applewood.
That sounds so good. I will have to try it when my Stilton is ready. Thanks for the Idea.
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HB, I don't have a Atkinson's around here I am going to check a couple other stores I think might have it.
BTW decided to wait a little longer on the smoothing of the Stilton
Started to slip the mold off and it didn't seem as solid as the last make I did,
I took a pic off what I saw and man O man is the PR takin off on this one, Haven't seen this much blue on any of the others I made.
WOW!!
That's a beautiful thing H-K-J, I just love the aroma of this cheese at all stages.
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AL. this was 5 days in the mold and I was just checkin
After a cool one I said WTH go for it
this turned out so neet 8)
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Very nice job of smoothing!!! Looking awesome buddy!!! ;D
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Never tried smoothing one out with a knife , this worked excellent 8)
http://youtu.be/U3o04QQCZTI (http://youtu.be/U3o04QQCZTI)
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looks great already. nice job on the smoothing. my efforts have not been so successful.
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looks great already. nice job on the smoothing. my efforts have not been so successful.
Thanks for the video H-K-J. I think I need to be a little more aggressive doing mine to get it smoother. I have not wanted to hurt it :D)
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Great video!! Before I made my first ones I found a video on YouTube taken at the plant where they make Stilton. It showed a lady smoothing one of the big Stiltons with a knife. I tried it on mine with limited success. I think mine was a bit dry on the outside.
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I think I need to be a little more aggressive doing mine to get it smoother. I have not wanted to hurt it
I know what you mean, I have been just smoothing them with just my fingers,
although that worked to seal the holes, I just wasn't getting the Stilton exterior look that I was seeing in all of the videos.
this seems to be much more like what I have seen ^-^
I think mine was a bit dry on the outside.
My stiltons have always been very moist on the out side I was just afraid that they hadn't knitted together well enough and I would just create a pile of mush.
This time I just cowboyed up and went after it (maybe you can see the nervous perspiration on my brow :P)
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"My Stiltons have always been very moist on the out side I was just afraid that they hadn't knitted together well enough and I would just create a pile of mush. This time I just cowboyed up and went after it (maybe you can see the nervous perspiration on my brow )"
Ya I noticed that but the wife was all over it as is mine sneaking a piece when ever she thinks she won't get her finger cut off. I have read about cutting the curd and not pressing have you tried that because both of my Stiltons have been quite dry. Maybe that is just how it should be.
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The lady in the video I mentioned said you always have to smooth from bottom to top but yours seemed to work fine. I'll get it right one day. :-[
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Me to Al if I keep workin at it, I'm uh gonna get er right LOL :o
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Me to Al if I keep workin at it, I'm uh gonna get er right LOL :o
I'd say you're there!! :D
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I have been flipping this since Friday still getting some whey but the top (when flipped) has what seems to me is more of a fatty feel to it.
Never had a Stilton do this before, I am wondering if my needle point mats aren't letting it drain off properly. :-\
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Your mats need to have a maximum of 5 holes/inch. Any tighter weave will trap moisture.
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Thanks Sailor, I just checked mine and they have 6 so off to the store I go,
thanks for the quick answer.
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Thanks Sailor, I just checked mine and they have 6 so off to the store I go,
thanks for the quick answer.
It's not only the mesh size but also what the mesh is on AND whether the mesh is a woven or punched type mesh. Woven style allows flow of whey even if the mat is on a solid surface. needlepoint mats usually just trap a little square of moisture and don't let it flow away unless the holes are big enough and it's held up off a solid surface. because the strands of a woven style go over and under alternating cross strands there is room for it to flow. Somewhere on the forum is a photo of the mats that iratherfly stocks. They are pretty darn cheap and certainly food grade which is a plus. Working with fats and acids makes me want to be especially careful about what comes in contact with the cheese. Good luck!!!! :D
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Ms t
This is what (http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,10919.msg83284.html#msg83284) I have used all along, yet this cheese is draining like this, just wierd, the mat is a 6 count on top of egg crate.
this is the first Stilton to be draining after 8 day's ???
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I have come to the conclusion that this is fat weeping out of the cheese, I also think the kitchen is to warm and the temp fluctuate's to much.
So off to the cooler room, the RH is way to low even in the ageing container around 75% +/- 2 or 3% and I have never had a problem keeping it up to 90%
although the mold is growing on the rind, it's not the same as before, not a bad difference, just different, or it's just new cheese jitters :o
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Very nice H-K-J. I thought you should put it in your cave after 5 days.
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normally I flip it in the mold for 5 days then smooth the cheese then keep it at room temp in the dark covered, flipping for 7 days then the cool room at high RH for a month then pierce, it just seems to change and I try to adjust so the rind develops the way I think it should. so now I am back at the new cheese jitters :-\ (and 2 beers and uh shot ^-^)
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Have another shot and stop worrying. It will be fine in the end. I cut that failed cambozola open the other day and the blue center was awesome. PR always comes through in the end!! ;)
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LOL Al :)
I brought it out this morning to air and flip it, the greasy feel is gone and the top and bottom feel dry.
So I am sayin the kitchen was to warm, also the RH has to be up to 90% the walls of the ageing container were completely steamed over.
I am thinking my thermometer/RH meter is way off, the readings are 72% RH and 85 deg. F, that room hasn't been that hot even on the hottest day of the summer.
I guess if I can't get my meter to reset it is time to buy a new one. :(
the blue is really takin off, lots more blue this morning :D
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That looks outstanding! Going to start calling you Mr. Stilton for your expertise in making those. ;D
I cut a small wedge from each of the 2 stiltons I made...the first one that got pressed and totally neglected over Thanksgiving is slightly creamy and has a very few blue veins, but needs a bit more aging I think...the other which was made correctly a week or 2 later has more blue inside, creamier, but also needs more aging, although the flavor and texturre was very close to what I am looking for in a blue. My inspiration to continue down the stilton line is all due to seeing your work, and imagining how they taste! Thanks H-K-J!
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bb yer makin me blush (gauwrsh) ^-^
I finally found the video that gave me a lot of information on the smoothing and piercing plus other interesting fact's.
Stilton - The King of English Cheese (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FtjWhXFNlM#ws)
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I have to agree with bb, that HKJ was my inspiration also! Your Stilton is looking great. :)
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bb yer makin me blush (gauwrsh) ^-^
I finally found the video that gave me a lot of information on the smoothing and piercing plus other interesting fact's.
Stilton - The King of English Cheese ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FtjWhXFNlM#ws[/url])
Thanks for sharing. It is amazing what will happen when you have a shot and stop warring isn't it. Not necessarily in that order :)
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Great looking cheese!!! That's the same video I watched but I would have sworn she said to go bottom to top. Must have been watching with my dyslexic eye. LOL
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That's the same video I watched but I would have sworn she said to go bottom to top. Must have been watching with my dyslexic eye. LOL
I do that all the time Al LOL ;)
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I am now fighting RH, can't get it over 78%, placed a wet paper towel under it this morning (was 76% then) checked at 1:pm and wow 78%.
I stuck another damp towel in and will see what happen's cant get the blue growing unless it come up 10% more, Dang it!!
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Can you mist inside of the cooler with a spray bottle?
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This one is driving me nuts. the white mold is running rampant.
that has never happened before :-\
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Reminds me an awful lot like a forgotten cheddar I had in the back of my cave. Only thing you are missing is the linens :) That "cheddar" turned out very tasty, although it didnt taste like a cheddar, nor did it have the texture of a cheddar (and was much smaller than your stilton...a 1 lb make that was experimental)....it turned out more like a muenster than anything.
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The PR will overcome!! LOL Works every time!! ;D
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Smelling good, looking different and ageing
3 weeks old today ^-^
Going to pierce next week :)
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Arent you supposed to pierce Stiltons at something like 10 days? Given your success with these beauties I believe my next one will follow your make style, but I am interested in the late (apparently) piercing.
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On my last one I went 25 days till first piercing, so anytime within the next 4 or 5 days I think it should be alright :-\
OK maybe one or two days more, have a lot going on tomorrow and Tuesday so maybe Wednesday :P
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I have been thinking about changing the size of my piercing tool.
the attached picture has the skewer (top) that I have used on all of my Stilton's
I am thinking I want to use the stainless steel spoke (bottom), kind-of small, afraid the holes might become overgrown in a very short time.
does anyone know what size they use on a real Stilton? I know I have read on the forum, some where, there is a particular size, I just can't seem to find it.
So, I will keep looking, but if someone knows the size I should be piercing with, I would be appreciative :)
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H-K-J did you do a brine rind wash or have you?
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H-K-J did you do a brine rind wash or have you?
UUmmmmm no?
My Stiltons are natural rind PR-PV induced rind, I never do anything to the rind, make them scary as Heck >:D
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OK, Never mind :-\
Just went ahead and done-it :o
The little bit we were getting from the piercing was so delish,
Hope the holes are big enough to get air to the inside PR-PV :o
If the holes close to fast I will be using a larger tool in a week or so 8)
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Very nice H-k-j. I will be piercing my Stiltons in the next day or two. Smells irresistible.
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Looking good!!! Can't wait for mine to ripen fully. ;)
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HKJ, I had the similar question some time ago.
I don't know about the size of the piercing tool they use for real Stilton, but what it seemed to me when watching the videos, they are making really a lot of holes with a small diameter. So I did myself a tool with which I can make 6 holes at a time with the diameter of around 1 mm only. And as you can see from the picture in my thread: http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,11000.0.html (http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,11000.0.html) the airing has worked pretty OK. But on the other had I have not used any additional cream.
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Here is a little tool (http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9535.0;attach=18074;image) I will be making.
such a great Idea (from member Moski 8) (http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,9535.msg69166.html#msg69166))
Very nice H-k-j. I will be piercing my Stiltons in the next day or two. Smells irresistible.
Thanks Al ^-^, say out of curiosity (hhhmmmmmm how do I put this?) how big is your Stilton Cheese piercing tool? ;)
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I use a 1/8" diameter wood skewer. You can buy a bag of them at any grocery store for a buck or two.
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I thought of posting a picture of my piercing tool, but it looks the same as you have linked, HKJ. The only difference being that mine has 6 needles and the diameter of needles is way way smaller.
Makes the whole piercing work much faster!
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Here is a little tool ([url]http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9535.0;attach=18074;image[/url]) I will be making.
such a great Idea (from member Moski 8) ([url]http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,9535.msg69166.html#msg69166[/url]))
Very nice H-k-j. I will be piercing my Stiltons in the next day or two. Smells irresistible.
Thanks Al ^-^, say out of curiosity (hhhmmmmmm how do I put this?) how big is your Stilton Cheese piercing tool? ;)
Someone stole the wife's knitting needles. LOL
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A thought >:D
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Not wanting to over ripen this we took a peek at it last night.
My opinion, Fantastic!!!
We puled 2 core samples out (I forgot to take pix's of the first one) the interior bluing has started to radiate from the center as I have seen in the video's
the picture's don't do the blue color justice, it is much brighter, the paste is still young yet has a very nice creamy taste and texture, wonderful after taste
no blue bite, very mild, so back to the cave/cooler and I think only 3 more weeks of aging, I hope this will be the happy medium I have been looking for.
As a note to myself, the bicycle spoke piercing holes didn't become over grown as the larger skewer holes had. I was afraid they were to small and wouldn't let enough oxygen into the center of the paste, I observed that the curd has the cracks and crevasses I have been trying to get, the blue is growing just fine. ;D
I won't re-pierce this unless the holes start to get overgrown, nowhere have I seen or read that Stilton does this, only under certain circumstances.
All in all very happy with the way this is ageing ^-^ so far so Good 8)
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Oh baby! Bet that's going to be great melted on a grilled steak!
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Congratulations! A cheese for your wonderful looking cheese!
I am so going to make the perfect stilton one of these days....
My most recent was a white stilton (no blue) just cause I wanted to see what it would be like. After a couple of failures (one major, one minor) I feel like I am due a really good one..
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Great job H-K-J, That looks awesome. That deserves a cheese just for being able to not cut into it.
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WOW guy,s thanks for the cheese ;D
The smoothing with the knife, the smaller air holes, overnight pressing and dryer curd all has helped move this cheese closer to what I have been trying to do.
Still have 2 weeks, then I will check the bluing again, if it is where we think it should be, BAGGIN TIME! :)
Not going to let this one go overboard on the blue, the last one not only bites back it smacks yuh right in the mouth :o
(my wife says tuh quit bitchin or she'll eat is all by her self ::))
All the holes are turning dark from the PR, but they seem not to be growing over, time will tell 8)
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Looking great buddy!!! We can hold a Stilton fest!! LOL BTW I'm referring all new stilton makers to this thread, mines full! ;D
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Now that's FUNNY ;)
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Looking great buddy!!! We can hold a Stilton fest!! LOL BTW I'm referring all new stilton makers to this thread, mines full! ;D
How long have you guys been hanging out here? Are we up against the old guard?........ :D
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LOL ;D
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Not quite 7 weeks, bluing is looking and tasting good, I believe 8 weeks is my magic number 8) ^-^
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Nice job H-K-J!! Dang man, you da stilton man! A cheese for your wonderful looking cheese! I can almost taste it....... :o
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Not quite 7 weeks, bluing is looking and tasting good, I believe 8 weeks is my magic number 8) ^-^
Looks like!!! ;D
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Man that looks good!
Makes my mouth water!
Been following this thread so closely , I'm starting to get mold on my computer screen!
Well done!
Cheers , Jim.
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I figure one more week maybe ten days and done.
so I pierced it one more time following the same holes, MMmmmmm show is tasty ;D
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YESSSSSSS!!!!! I Like IT!!!!!!!
Beautiful, no bite just smooth buttery flavor, with just the right amount of blue melt in your mouth flavor ;D
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That looks really good with some very nice marbling.
Well done.
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YESSSSSSS!!!!! I Like IT!!!!!!!
Beautiful, no bite just smooth buttery flavor, with just the right amount of blue melt in your mouth flavor ;D
Very well done H-K-J and a cheese to you.
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Beautiful, no bite just smooth buttery flavor, with just the right amount of blue melt in your mouth flavor ;D
Sweet! Kudos, H-K-J.
Have a cheese. You seem to be the leader of the Blue Man Group. ;)
-Boofer-
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Great job buddy!!! Looks like we both have a huge supply of blue now. Now if I can just get that Emmentaler thing right. LOL
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Hey thanks for the cheeses ;D
Boofer, I don't know about bein the lead blue man, thanks for the compliment though ^-^
Al, I can see a rib eye or T-bone on the bar-b-Q in the very near future (like maybe tonight if it stops raining) with a nice slice of this melting on top 8)
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Had a big ribeye last night just that way. Put a gazebo up over the bar-b-cues and had a party for a friend out from Virginia and about 19 others. Black Angus Rib-eyes, Baby Back ribs, and beer can chicken!!! Not going to let a little rain spoil the fun!! You really do need to get over this way one weekend. ;)
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We would have a great time ^-^ :) :D ;D :o
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Yes we would. We could even take my RZR S out for a cruise. You'll love the way I drive!!! LMAO
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Fantastic looking result, a cheese to you for bringing this one home. I must try making another blue.
- Jeff