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Title: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 03, 2015, 07:27:41 PM
I just had to make a cheese with cumin. It's pretty common here in Denmark as well as the rest of Scandinavia and in Holland. It's a taste that you love or hate...

I found the recipe for Leiden (I added Cumin) in the book "200 Easy Homemade Cheese Recipes".

The make went without trouble and according to the recipe.

Still need 8 hours more in the press...

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Schnecken Slayer on February 03, 2015, 07:33:56 PM
This is one of my (many) favourite cheeses.  ;D
I think it was about the fourth or fifth cheese I made as I hadn't seen it anywhere here in Oz... A week later, there it was in the cheese section at Woolies.

Congratulations on another fine looking cheese. ac4u!
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Al Lewis on February 03, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
Danbo, did you roast the cumin seeds firt to bring out the oils?
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 03, 2015, 07:37:43 PM
Al: No, they were just boiled...
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 03, 2015, 08:28:08 PM
Wow this looks delicious! Great distribution of the seeds. AC4u :)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 03, 2015, 09:00:29 PM
Schnecken: Thank you very much. That's typical... Here in Denmark it's very common and you can get it in most supermarkets and of course in cheese shops. :-)

Mermaid: It was very easy to blend in actually. Thanks for the cheese. :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: felku on February 03, 2015, 09:49:34 PM
Good looking cheese. AC4u
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: shaneb on February 03, 2015, 10:48:10 PM
Looks awesome Danbo. I can't say I've tried a cumin flavoured cheese. A cheese from me too.

Shane
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 03, 2015, 10:50:22 PM
What is leiden cheese by the way? I've never heard of it. Easy to make? I want to try!
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Stinky on February 04, 2015, 04:11:57 AM
AC4U. I've been wondering about adding cumin. How strong is the flavor?
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 04, 2015, 07:51:39 AM
Thanks for the cheeses! :-)

Leiden (or Leyden) is a cheese originating from Holland. It's like a gouda in shape and texture and very often cumin seeds are added to the curds. The cumin taste is strong and people either hate it or love it. It's very common here in Scandinavia and of course in Holland. It goes very well with ice cold beer(s) and a dark homemade (Danish type) rye bread made on sour dough and malt.

It's a very easy cheese to make (hope it turns out well) and you don't have to stir for hours... The curds are washed in warm water twice at different temperatures. The only thing that is important to remember is to have enough boiled water ready cooled to the right temperatures. The recipe in "200 easy Homemade Cheeses" is easy to follow but there are no PH-markers and the recipe just calls for a mesophile culture. I used Choozit Kazu as it should be very good in Scandinavian cheeses. If I hadn't had Kazu, I would probably have used Choozit MA4000.

Here is a picture of the final cheese ready to go into the brine...

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Pjfraser82 on February 04, 2015, 10:16:30 AM
Top looking cheese.

AC4U once I work out how to do it.

Might try this one myself next time, looks like something that will really make the cave look complete.
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: qdog1955 on February 04, 2015, 11:52:57 AM
Danbo,
How did you choose how much cumin to use----I like cumin, but to much can be overpowering----that's what happened the only time I tried it?
Another cheese for you.
Qdog
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 04, 2015, 12:10:10 PM
Thanks both. :-)

Qdog:
It's a matter of taste... I like a cumin cheese to have a very strong (almost overpowering) taste of cumin seeds. I used 45 ml of cumin seeds for a 24 liter batch.

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Al Lewis on February 04, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
Very nice looking cheese!!  As usual!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 04, 2015, 02:49:12 PM
Al: You are too kind... :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: awakephd on February 04, 2015, 04:23:53 PM
Sounds like the taste of the spice will be "cumin" on strong ...

:) couldn't resist. But it does look beautiful, and I do love the taste of cumin ... might have to give this a try, though at the moment, space in the "cave" is growing limited.
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 04, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
In a few months I can tell you if it's worth making... :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 04, 2015, 06:07:28 PM
Did you do anything to the cheese between your first and most recent posts? To me looks a like the cheesecloth marks went away. If so, how did you do this?
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 04, 2015, 07:00:44 PM
At the end of the pressing I simply undress the cheese, flip it and press without cheese cloth for half an hour or so. Sometimes it requires a bit longer depending on how firm the cheese is and how deep the marks are.

The cheese can be a little harder to remove from the mould - it sucks itself to the mould. If the cheese is dry on the surface it can be damage because some of it sticks to the mould. Ideally the mould should be a bit damp/slippery. i usually remove the follower, turn the mould upside-down and give it a few bumps on the counter.

The marks from the cloth will typically become less visible, but the cheese will have some "Warts" where the cheese has tried to escape through the drain holes in the mould. These "warts" can be trimmed with a sharp knife after brining, but over time the usually get less visible.

I find that the worst cloth marks are from where the cloth is folded over the cheese under the follower. I found a very good technique to reduce this, but I think that it will require a video (maybe I will do a short video on this some day)... As an alternative I sometimes do not fold the cloth over the cheese during the last 1/3 of the presssing periode.

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 04, 2015, 07:22:44 PM
Wow I'll try this today! Pressing cheese now .
I'd love to see a video of the technique you mention - the cheesecloth marks drive me crazy!
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 04, 2015, 08:19:12 PM
Please let me know how it went... :-)

The cheese cloth technique I mentioned are in no way rocket science and I bet that 99% of all cheesemakers just do it without thinking about it... For me though it made a major difference.

I hope that I can shot a video soon (if I forget it, please remind me)...

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: LoftyNotions on February 04, 2015, 08:30:30 PM
I come down on the side of not liking cumin, but I can still appreciate a beautiful cheese. Another cheese for you. :)

Larry
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 04, 2015, 09:11:30 PM
Thanks Larry! it's either hate or love... ;-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: LoftyNotions on February 04, 2015, 09:26:58 PM
Now put some caraway seed in and you'll really have something! :)

PS- My wife HATES caraway. lol
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 04, 2015, 09:54:56 PM
LOL ;-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: awakephd on February 05, 2015, 05:56:24 PM
Now put some caraway seed in and you'll really have something! :)

PS- My wife HATES caraway. lol

:) My wife hates cheese! But that just means more for me!
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: LoftyNotions on February 05, 2015, 06:10:22 PM
I'm lucky (or unlucky, depending on your point of view) that my wife pretty much likes all the cheeses I've made so far.

Tonight I'm making a Tartiflette with a Reblochon I made a couple months ago.

Larry
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 05, 2015, 07:25:56 PM
Sounds delicious! :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 05, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
Danbo- I tried your tip about pressing the cheese without the cheesecloth and it worked great! Thanks again!
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 06:41:54 AM
I'm glad to hear. :-)

I promised you a short video on how I pack my cheeses in the moulds. When I started making cheese I just folded the cloth over the cheese, put on the follower and tried to tigthen up the cloth. The problem was that I could only tighten up some of the cloth and it gave some serious marks in the cheese.

I found out that it works better for me if I lay the cloth on to op the mould keeping the fold outside the mould. That way I can tighten the cloth all the way around the mould. First I tighten the sides and then the top.

Maybe this is actually the way you all do this but I made a short video (hope it works) showing the way I do it - it's not rocket science though...

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 06:50:25 AM
Can anyone confirm that the video actually work? My stupid iPad won't show it... :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: shaneb on February 06, 2015, 06:53:19 AM
Good stuff Danbo! Works fine for me on an android tablet. I do similar but with muslin. All instructions I saw suggested folding over the main cheesecloth under the follower. I found it easier to use a small extra piece around the follower. The top looked much better also.

Shane
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 07:13:58 AM
Hi Shane,

Glad you likied it. Your method has excatly the same result: Less wrinkles!

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 08:00:16 AM
This is the Cheddar from the video. :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: shaneb on February 06, 2015, 08:06:22 AM
Nice. :-) What do you do with all of this cheese? Are you massive eaters of cheese, or do you share around? And another cheese for you. :-)

Shane
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 08:20:30 AM
Thanks! :-)

I share with family and friends. And most cheeses like time, so I they can just age for a loooong time...

When I want to learn something new I always go all in. I am really into cheesemaking right now (and I think that it will last). It's so exciting every single time a cheese is born - big or small, simple or complicated.

I am actually by nature not very patient. Cheesemaking challenges this. You can't hurry - and then the only thing that I can do is to make a lot of cheese. At the moment I think that I have around 50 kgs of cheese ageing.

I'm still a novice and making a lot of cheese does not per definition make me an expert - I strive to becomming a good amateur. There as so many in this forum that I look up to and I just love to hear all the stories and watching all the amazing pictures.

I love it! :-)

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: shaneb on February 06, 2015, 08:31:18 AM
Excellent. 50kg.... That is massive. You have very lucky family and friends.

Oh and I'm the same with patience. My plan to overcome this is to make often so that there is always something around the corner coming up ripe.

Shane
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 08:39:11 AM
That's a good plan! :-)

If anyone is planning a trip to Denmark, I'll offer them cheese... ;-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: shaneb on February 06, 2015, 08:56:31 AM
Very nice. :-) Would love to visit Denmark.

Shane
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 06, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
Danbo- the video isn't working on my iPhone - I will try it on my MacBook later. Thank you so much for making a video! I love to travel and Denmark is certainly on my wish list!
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 02:14:13 PM
I really love to go to both Australia and the US - and a lot of other places....... But who is going to babysit my cheeses?   :o
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: awakephd on February 06, 2015, 05:32:50 PM
I have software that can convert to/from a variety of video formats -- if you can't get it to work on your Macbook, or if anyone else needs a different format, I'll be happy to help.
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Thanks Awakephd, you're very helpful. :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: LoftyNotions on February 06, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
A cheese for the nice video. I've found that I don't even need to fold the cloth over the top of the cheese. I've never had problems with curd sticking to the follower.

Your demo of how to pull up the sides of the cloth is excellent. I was just trying to explain that concept in my Parm thread. I'll point to this video.

Larry
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 06:12:04 PM
Thanks. :-)

Normally I use cloth under the follower for the first presses and then I omit it for the following presses. The very last press I normally do with any cloth at all to make a smooth rind...

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: awakephd on February 06, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
Here are a couple of alternate versions of the video for those who are having trouble viewing the .mov file.
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: shaneb on February 06, 2015, 09:49:51 PM
Danbo, you need to do a house swap with another cheese maker.Then you can both happily flip each other's cheeses and you can see the sights of each other's country.

Shane
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 06, 2015, 09:58:15 PM
Awakephd: Thanks a lot. :-)

Shane: Why didn't I think of that? ;-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: shaneb on February 06, 2015, 10:07:29 PM
Maybe it should be called cave swapping. And no I'm not volunteering at the moment. :-)

Shane
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 06, 2015, 10:17:49 PM
Cave swapping ! I love that idea !
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: KenK2 on February 07, 2015, 01:32:46 AM
Thank you for the very nice video, worked on my laptop. 

Videos like this really help the newbies like myself become more familiar with making cheese from scratch.  I wish there was more!

Ken
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 07, 2015, 01:48:09 AM
A cheese for you Danbo for the informative video

A cheese for you awakephd for making the video into another format!

Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 07, 2015, 02:08:20 AM
Shane and Mermaid: I smell a new trend here... ;-)

KenK2:

Sometimes it's the smallest things that are helpful when you are new to cheesemaking. If there is anything that you need info on then just ask in the forum!

I'm still asking basic basic questions from time to time, and I get great help every time. For example I don't know the difference between a butter muslin and a cheese cloth. Maybe you do? It's important not to be embarrassed to ask the most basic questions.

And remember that your own ideas can be worth a lot for even more experienced cheesemakers - don't hold yourself back - share, share, share...

OzzieCheese sums it all up in just one sentence in his signature: "Usually if one person asks a question then 10 are waiting for the answer - Please ask !"

If you want videos on other parts of the cheesemaking process just ask. :-)

Mermaid: Thanks for the cheese! :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: LoftyNotions on February 07, 2015, 03:05:00 PM
Shane and Mermaid: I smell a new trend here... ;-)

For example I don't know the difference between a butter muslin and a cheese cloth.

Butter muslin has a higher thread count (finer weave) than cheese cloth. The count for butter muslin at New England Cheese is 90 TPI and cheese cloth is 60.

Larry
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 07, 2015, 04:00:14 PM
Hi Larry,
Thanks for claifying. :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: awakephd on February 08, 2015, 12:27:48 AM
A cheese for you Danbo for the informative video

A cheese for you awakephd for making the video into another format!

Thanks! I think I like this -- Danbo does all the work, and I get a cheese! :)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 08, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
You deserve it. :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 12, 2015, 02:03:58 PM
Danbo- you inspired me to make a cheese with seeds. I had dill seed and I like the flavor. I will post pictures of the cheese I made, but I have a question!

How will you age the seeded cheese? I assume traditionally it's waxed? I don't have any wax. I usually do natural rinds and I have a big cheese cave. Worried about molds finding their way in because the seeds create space for air between the curds.
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 12, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
Hi Mermaid,

Right now the cheese is vacuum packed - I would like to wax it at a later time though.

I think that it will have to be sealed with something, but I'm not sure what to use instead of wax, cheese plastic or a vacuum bag.

I hope that someone else in here has got an idea...


:-) Danbo

Ps: I have posted make notes for the Butter Cheese that you wanted. :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on February 12, 2015, 03:06:42 PM
Here is the dill cheese

Thanks for posting the butter cheese make! Is a press necessary?
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on February 12, 2015, 03:20:57 PM
Hi Mermaid,

Is's a very nice cheese! Maybe I'll make one just like it! :-) A cheese for you...

I used way too much force on the Butter Cheese (didn't hurt the cheese though). I think that I would use much less pressure (1/3) next time.

I wouldn't go lower than 2 psi on the final press myself, but I found this post: http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,12693.msg98432.html#msg98432 (http://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,12693.msg98432.html#msg98432)

In this post Jeff press the cheese i warm water - that requires less press (1,43 psi). Maybe it's even possible to use even lighter press, but I'm not sure...

I don't know the diameter of the moulds that you use, but this is how you calculate the weight needed:
Weight needed = psi * 3,14 * radius of mould * radius of mould

Example (mould diameter: 8 inches, psi required: 2 psi):
Weight needed = 2 * 3,14 * 4 inches * 4 inches = 100 pounds

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on December 21, 2015, 04:14:02 PM
Opened this cheese today. Great taste. It is a fragile though and easily breaks - would have expected a more flexible cheese.
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Schnecken Slayer on December 21, 2015, 10:45:34 PM
I found the same crumbliness with mine although I put it down to either some interaction with the cumin seeds or by my using low fat milk (2%)
Anyway AC4U for another great looking wheel.
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Stinky on December 22, 2015, 12:37:26 AM
Welcome back! +C for your lovely queso.
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on December 22, 2015, 06:57:16 AM
Thanks guys! :-)
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Mermaid on January 06, 2016, 05:13:32 AM
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Leiden with cumin
Post by: Danbo on January 09, 2016, 08:27:45 AM
Thanks! :-)