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Title: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on November 20, 2014, 10:59:02 PM
So on Tuesday I made the Brew-Curds Cheddar from Mary Karlin's book. And I only messed a few things up! ;)

-2 gallons milk
-1/2 tsp. Meso II
-1/4 tsp. annatto
-1/2 tsp. CaCl2
-1/2 tsp rennet
-1 12-oz bottle dark ale or stout
-1 tbsp kosher salt


The drying time seems a tad short in retrospect, but it did feel dry to the touch and I'll be going out of town tomorrow, so there really isn't too much leeway.
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: John@PC on November 20, 2014, 11:14:06 PM
Hi Stinky.  I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post and you deserve a cheese for it's entertainment value :).  It looks like you had a tough time wrestling this make to the ground but from the looks of it you succeeded.  I did this same recipe a year ago but my make was much more boring!  Please let us know how this comes out!
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on November 21, 2014, 12:10:33 AM
Oh, and for clarification that half-gallon in the reduced fat jug is whole milk, but placed there during a previous make as it takes up less room.
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Spoons on November 21, 2014, 08:54:16 PM
Welcome to the boards, Stinky! Nice cheese! I really like the seeing the progression of your pressing.

Well done!!!
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on November 30, 2014, 05:10:23 AM
Thanks, Anonymous. :)

So I got back from vacation today and there seems to be some room between the wax and the cheese, maybe because it didn't get flipped enough. Would you recommend stripping off all the wax and rewaxing again?

Picture is from after it was newly waxed.
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Boofer on November 30, 2014, 02:45:16 PM
Very entertaining post. :)  I was especially touched by the Rube Goldberg pressing setup and the engineered cheese form. Have a cheese for getting it done...whatever it took. ;)

Questions:
13 hours is a bit aggressive for drying time. You'd be surprised how much weepage a cheese might do.

-Boofer-
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on November 30, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Boofer on November 30, 2014, 02:45:16 PM
Very entertaining post. :)  I was especially touched by the Rube Goldberg pressing setup and the engineered cheese form. Have a cheese for getting it done...whatever it took. ;)

Questions:

  • Did you use cheesecloth when pressing your curds?
  • Did you keep the curds warm during early pressing? It helps to consolidate the curds and form a smooth rind.
13 hours is a bit aggressive for drying time. You'd be surprised how much weepage a cheese might do.

-Boofer-

Thanks.  ;D The brick mold makes cheeses that fit in smaller ripening containers, and I can use more wait than I can with the standard cheese press, which you can only crank so far. :D


It is, but then again I also didn't want to have something I've had before which is weeping liquid cream wax out of holes... Next time I'll plan it a bit better, okay?  ;)
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Boofer on December 01, 2014, 01:58:51 PM
Quote from: Stinky on November 30, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
The brick mold makes cheeses that fit in smaller ripening containers
Agreed. I've used a little different take (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,8405.0.html) on your action. Another example. (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,9293.0.html)

Quote from: Stinky on November 30, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Boofer on November 30, 2014, 02:45:16 PM
13 hours is a bit aggressive for drying time. You'd be surprised how much weepage a cheese might do.
It is, but then again I also didn't want to have something I've had before which is weeping liquid cream wax out of holes...
Sorry, I don't think I phrased that correctly. I meant to say that limiting the drying to 13 hours was a tad short of typical. In a lot of cases the drying might extend for several days. :-[

-Boofer-
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on December 05, 2014, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: Boofer on December 01, 2014, 01:58:51 PM
Quote from: Stinky on November 30, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
The brick mold makes cheeses that fit in smaller ripening containers
Agreed. I've used a little different take (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,8405.0.html) on your action. Another example. (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,9293.0.html)

Quote from: Stinky on November 30, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Boofer on November 30, 2014, 02:45:16 PM
13 hours is a bit aggressive for drying time. You'd be surprised how much weepage a cheese might do.
It is, but then again I also didn't want to have something I've had before which is weeping liquid cream wax out of holes...
Sorry, I don't think I phrased that correctly. I meant to say that limiting the drying to 13 hours was a tad short of typical. In a lot of cases the drying might extend for several days. :-[

-Boofer-

Nice.  :D

No, it makes sense. I didn't have much time; next time I'll make sure not to leave that soon after making it next time.  :P



Yesterday I decided to strip off the wax and rewaxed today, hopefully won't have to do that again.
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on January 23, 2015, 06:18:02 PM
I cracked it for a mild occasion, cut off under half, and rewaxed. It tasted quite good, a bit too mild, the ale was overpowering at this point. Really looking forward to it being more aged. It has a reaaally open curd structure, 'coz of the overcooking.
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Danbo on January 23, 2015, 06:47:06 PM
Looks good... :-)

I missed some more beer flavor in my beer infused cheese...
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: John@PC on January 23, 2015, 11:16:09 PM
Stinky, I love your "loaves" :).  You are a cheese maker with great imagination so a cheese for you for your love of discovery. 
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on January 24, 2015, 12:28:13 AM
Quote from: Danbo on January 23, 2015, 06:47:06 PM
Looks good... :-)

I missed some more beer flavor in my beer infused cheese...
Thanks!
Quote from: John@PC on January 23, 2015, 11:16:09 PM
Stinky, I love your "loaves" :).  You are a cheese maker with great imagination so a cheese for you for your love of discovery.

Thank you. :)

I'm doing a "standard" cheddar today, and everything's rolling around great. It's the first cheese that I'm sure I've gotten the pH right, as a lot of the cheeses when they come out of the press show up as over 6.1 on the test strips. ??? But here I just kept cheddaring until it looked right, and boom. So squeaky and everything.
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on March 20, 2015, 04:15:37 PM
Mm, I was waxing a Caerphill so I'd have more space in the cave and decided to check in on this again at four months. It's not much different than at two months, but the alcohol has a very distinct bitter flavor. Do I just try to use it up fast, or keep aging it?
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Al Lewis on March 20, 2015, 04:32:18 PM
AC4U just for your ingenuity! :o  In the future you may want to allow your cheeses for dry for several days until the outside actually starts to form a bit of a rind.  If they aren't totally dry you will get the whey between the wax and the cheese most times.  If you do, you have to strip and re-wax as you did with this one.  I would however, allow it a day or two to dry before waxing again. ;)
Title: Re: Brew-Curds Cheddar
Post by: Stinky on August 03, 2015, 05:15:18 PM
Quote from: Al Lewis on March 20, 2015, 04:32:18 PM
AC4U just for your ingenuity! :o  In the future you may want to allow your cheeses for dry for several days until the outside actually starts to form a bit of a rind.  If they aren't totally dry you will get the whey between the wax and the cheese most times.  If you do, you have to strip and re-wax as you did with this one.  I would however, allow it a day or two to dry before waxing again. ;)

I've also learned since then just not to wax until 2-3 weeks after make, because that's when the bacteria are alive and need oxygen exchange to give you a delicious cheese.