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Title: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 26, 2015, 08:56:31 AM
I made this Cheddar with Port yesterday - just out of the press this morning. Now it is resting at around 17C for two days to dry and then it will be waxed or vacuum packed.

If anyone is interested in the make notes and images of the process I will post it here...

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: qdog1955 on January 26, 2015, 11:14:20 AM
Danbo
  Please do that----I enjoy your makes and Often "steal" your thoughts----that cheese looks great.
Qdog
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: awakephd on January 26, 2015, 12:22:47 PM
Beautiful -- AC4U! Looks like a lovely knit. How much weight did you use for how large a mold?
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 26, 2015, 02:18:02 PM
Qdog: I am very honered that someone can get ideas from me. Thank you very much! I will put my notes and images online soon. :-)
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 26, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
Thank you Awakephd! :-)

You don't actually need a lot of pressure to make a good cheddar. I know that OzzieCheese has created perfect cheddars without the need for extreme press. I think that it depends a lot on how dry the curds are, room temperature etc.

Pressing details are in the make notes in the next post...

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 26, 2015, 05:12:51 PM
DANBO'S CHEDDAR WITH PORT - Make notes

Inspired by a recipe in the book "200 Easy Cheese Recipes" (http://www.amazon.com/200-Easy-Homemade-Cheese-Recipes/dp/0778804658 (http://www.amazon.com/200-Easy-Homemade-Cheese-Recipes/dp/0778804658)). Consider buying this book - there is a lot of exciting recipes! I have tried to describe the way I did it as precise as possible but there might be errors.


Ingredients:

- 24 liters of Demeter-quality milk. Fat content 4,03%. Not homogenized. Pasteurized
- 3,75 ml (1,35 g) Choozit MA4001 culture
- 3,4 ml Calcium Chloride 50%
- 7 ml Bioren Liquid Rennet Extract (1:15.000)
- 55 ml sea salt
- 0,5 g Lysozyme (to prevent late blowing - optional)
- 0,5 liter Dark Red Portwine


Process:

- Kitchen and equipment cleaned and santized with StarSan (30 ml to 20 liters of Water)
- Lysozyme (dilluted in a glass of water) added to milk
- Milk slowly heated to 31C
- Culture springled over milk. Left to rehydrate 5 minutes before stirring for 3 minutes
- Left to ripen for 40 minutes
- Calcium Chloride (dilluted in a glass of Water) is added. Wait 5 minutes after stirring
- Rennet (dilluted in a glass of Water) is added. Stirred for 2 minutes
- Using "spinning bowl"-method to calculate time to cut:
     Floc.time: 19,5 mins
     Floc. factor: 3
     Time to cut: 59 min
- Curds cut into 1,5 cm cubes 59 minutes after adding rennet
- Curds rest for 5 minutes
- Temperature increased to 39C over 45 minutes (around 1C every 6 minutes) while stirring slowly
- Maintain 32C and stir for additional 35 minutes
- Drain all the whey from the curds
- Return the curds to the vat and leave them for 10 minutes till they mat together. The vat was kept in a water bath to maintain the temperature
- Turn the mass of curds over and wait 15 minutes. Drain the whey
- Break the mass in two and let them rest on their sides. Wait 15 minutes. Drain the whey
- Turn the two pieces over. Wait 15 minutes. Drain the whey
- Break the curd into pieces of around 5x2x2cm
- Soak the curds with portwine for 30 minutes. Halfway the curds was mixed in order to soak all the pieces
- Drain the portwine/whey and add half the salt. Mix it in and mix the rest of the salt in
- Curds packed in a cloth covered mould (20 cm in diameter)
- Press the cheese:
     2,2 psi for 30 mins
     4,4 psi for 30 mins
     8,8 psi for 1 hr
     8,8 psi for 9 hrs (without cloth on top)*
     16,2 psi for 15 mins (without cloth)*

     I was using a mould with a diameter of 20 cm / 8 inches:
     50 kg / 110 pounds for 30 mins
     100 kg / 221 pounds for 30 mins
     200 kg / 441 pounds for 1 hr
     200 kg / 441 pounds for 9 hrs (without cloth on top)*
     370 kg / 816 pounds for 15 mins (without cloth)*

     If I had used a mould with a diameter of 10 cm / 4 inches it would have been:
     13 kg / 27,7 pounds for 30 mins
     25 kg / 55,4 pounds for 30 mins
     50 kg / 111 pounds for 1 hr
     50 kg / 111 pounds for 9 hrs (without cloth on top)*
     93 kg / 204 pounds for 15 mins (without cloth)*

     Calculations:
     Area of mould in inches = 3,14 * (Mould diameter/2)^2
     Weight in pounds needed = Pressure in psi * Area of mould in inches
     Weight in kg needed = Weight in pounds needed * 0.45


* Sometimes I do not fold the cheesecloth over the top of the cheese during some of the pressing. This makes it easier to avoid deep imprints from the cloth. I think that the draining is OK anyway. I normally press for a short period without any cloth at all at the end to make the surface smooth and nice.


Images of the process will follow...
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Al Lewis on January 26, 2015, 05:24:08 PM
Gorgeous cheese!!  AC4U
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 26, 2015, 05:52:13 PM
Thanks Al! :-)
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 26, 2015, 06:10:16 PM
Images from the make...
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 26, 2015, 06:41:28 PM
More images...
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: qdog1955 on January 26, 2015, 09:57:05 PM
Danbo
  Absolutely wonderful! Now I can give you a cheese as payment for the ideas I'm going to "barrow"  and you'll get another when it tastes as good as it looks :)
Qdog
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Frodage on January 27, 2015, 01:11:18 AM
Very nice mottling. A cheese for you!
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 27, 2015, 01:30:52 AM
Thanks guys! :-)
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Al Lewis on January 27, 2015, 02:07:41 AM
Did this merlot washed Colby back when I first started cheese making.  Sorry it's out of focus.  I had to add calcium carbonate to the wine to get it to the same Ph as the cheese.  Did you have to do the same??
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: OzzieCheese on January 27, 2015, 02:12:40 AM
Well that is one Cool lookin Cheese. Port and Cheddar and no washing up !! 

A Cheese for Ye !

-- Mal
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 27, 2015, 05:47:52 AM
Mal: Thanks! It was very tempting to use the excess mix of whey and port to something. :-)

Al: That Colby looks really nice. I haven't thought about adjusting the PH of the wine. I also have a couple of "Drunken Cows" in the cave made with redwine where no adjustments were made. Do you know why it should be done?

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Al Lewis on January 27, 2015, 02:06:07 PM
I don't even know if it has to be done. LOL  At the time I had just started making cheese, note the Mad Millie press used, and just assumed that the Ph would need to match or the various little critters in the cheese wouldn't survive. LOL
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 27, 2015, 02:10:28 PM
I'm not that experienced myself but I'm working hard to learn the art. :-)
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Al Lewis on January 27, 2015, 05:27:42 PM
Well, from what I've seen so far, you're doing great!!!
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 27, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
Thanks - it's a steep learning curve. :-)
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: awakephd on January 28, 2015, 02:35:49 AM
Quote from: Danbo on January 26, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
Thank you Awakephd! :-)

You don't actually need a lot of pressure to make a good cheddar. I know that OzzieCheese has created perfect cheddars without the need for extreme press. I think that it depends a lot on how dry the curds are, room temperature etc.

Pressing details are in the make notes in the next post...

:-) Danbo

"not a lot of pressure" is relative -- the most weight I have put on a cheese is about 180 lbs on a 4-gallon make, so I am nowhere near the weight you used. :) But I am toying with ideas for a new press design, which would let me get up to 800 or more lbs...
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: GoudaGirl13 on January 28, 2015, 05:03:58 AM
Wowow!! That looks fabulous! And it's exactly what I had planned to make this coming weekend! I HOPE it's even half as nice as yours is! :)

I JUST joined this forum today and have yet to introduce myself - Hi! I'm Jo! :)

I just had to comment on your beautiful cheese. It's inspiring for my weekend endeavour!
I have made a couple cheddars before (one has been aging for 13 months now) and want to include the port soak tis time.

Thank you for taking the time to post all the pics and details! :)
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 28, 2015, 05:52:32 AM
You're welcome (and welcome to the forum)...

I'm sure that your cheese will be beautiful. It would be fun if you post some pictures.

Quote from: GoudaGirl13 on January 28, 2015, 05:03:58 AM
I have made a couple cheddars before (one has been aging for 13 months now)

Impressive - I'm not sure that I would have such patience...

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: GoudaGirl13 on January 28, 2015, 07:10:59 PM
:) I guess I have alot of patience.....there's a 1.5 year old parmesan and a couple goudas over a year too. Not to mention the hot sauces, pickles and ferments over a year....Moroccan lemons that were made in 2012. Yummmmmmm.....!!

Time WHIZZES past so quickly, to me.....perhaps I'm just having alot of fun...?!
It has never felt like time crawls slowly.....
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on January 28, 2015, 07:41:56 PM
For me Cheesemaking is a great way to train my patience... ;-)

I also cook sous vide, make pickled cabbage and love all the green house vegetables in the summer.

:-) Danbo
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: GoudaGirl13 on February 01, 2015, 05:53:08 AM
Well....I'm prepping tonight to make my Port soaked cheddar tomorrow. I thought about the excess port leftover (mixed with whey lost in the process) and decided to do a nice roast and use it in the basting, slowcooking and gravy. :) Did you do anything with the port runoff you had?

I'm using the same notes and guidlines I had made for the cheddar that just turned one year old and yours as a reference as well.

See you on "the other side!"

:)
Title: Re: Danbo's Cheddar with Port
Post by: Danbo on February 01, 2015, 06:49:17 AM
I look forward to see the pressed result. :-)

Unfortunately I wasn't as creative as you and I just poored the port-whey-mixture out the drain. :-(

:-) Danbo