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Title: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on March 26, 2016, 09:23:43 PM
Hello everyone.  I've wanted to do this for a long time and so I finally got a cheese making kit and I am ready to start.  I did some reading and contacted local dairies and I have 2 gallons of milk that they tell me was not high temperature treated.

Any advice for a first timer?  I'm ready to sanitize well.  (Been making mead and wine for years).  Not sure what else I should be aware of.  My first recipe will be a cheddar (I don't like mozzarella).

Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: john H on March 27, 2016, 01:08:55 AM
Welcome to the form RedDawn, All I can say is read the kit instructions a couple of times to make sure you totally understand them. It is best to use a double boiler it helps to gradually increase the temperature so as to not over shoot the target temperature and aids in keeping target temperature while ripening and rennet times. I have also filled the sink with target temperature water and put the pot in to hold the temperature of the milk. I hope all goes well with the cheddar and do keep us updated on how it goes.

John

P.S. Pruned my Frontenac vines today. 8)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on March 27, 2016, 07:10:44 PM
Well, this batch may be FUBAR.  I made a mistake and put the rennet in before the culture.  Realizing that, I dumped the culture in anyway.  It is setting up but I have no idea what it will taste like.  :-\

Also need to buy a new digital thermometer, I don't think mine is accurate any more.

Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: H-K-J on March 30, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
did someone mention READ THE INSTRUCTIONS THOROUGHLY?  :-X
Not trying to be mean, the Lord knows I make more than my share of mistakes  :-[
As we say, practice, practice, practice :P
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: awakephd on March 30, 2016, 05:55:05 PM
So, what happened with the batch? If you put the rennet in, and immediately put the cultures in, I can imagine that it might have gone ahead to make something tasty, even if not quite what you were intending. But if you tried to put the cultures in after it was already setting up, I suspect you may have wound up with mush. :)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on April 03, 2016, 10:02:45 PM
I got curds:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1581/26152759361_9a7120b13e_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1656/25616399593_159933a6b3_z.jpg)

The curds had the texture of cheese and very mild flavor.  I don't know if that will improve, seeing as how I probably destroyed the culture.

Pressed it for two days, air dried it for 5 days. It seemed a little soft at first but it developed a nice dry rind.   Noticed a spot or two of green mold last night, which got cleaned up before I waxed it (today).  It's in the fridge now, I haven't taken pictures yet.

I made ricotta with the leftover whey and it was good.

Going to try a 2nd batch soon, and try not to get the culture and rennet mixed up.  ;D


Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: john H on April 03, 2016, 11:51:06 PM
How long do you plan on ageing this cheddar for? I am interested in knowing how the flavour turns out.

John
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on April 04, 2016, 02:05:27 AM
The instructions suggest at least 2 months.
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on April 08, 2016, 07:00:25 PM
Here it is after waxing.  It was a little gnarly around the top edge, maybe I should have trimmed that off?

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/26039548600_f05c6ec675.jpg)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: Kern on April 08, 2016, 08:06:52 PM
OK, It is a bit gnarly around the edges.  But it color coordinates with your name, RedDawn.  On this basis plus the fact that you are a virgin in the cheese award department, you get your first cheese from me.   ;)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: awakephd on April 08, 2016, 11:53:06 PM
When I was using wax, I found it very helpful to trim off any sharp edges -- it was hard to get good/even wax coverage over a sharp edge. (Since then I've gone to vac bagging.)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: Stinky on April 20, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
Curious to see what will happen. I'd guess you probably lost quite a bit of the culture by adding it at that point, but who knows. I certainly don't.
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: Fritz on May 01, 2016, 04:21:31 AM
Looks great 'Dawn...congrats! There may be a ridge on the top of heavily pressed cheeses (such as cheddar) from between the follower and walls of the mold... Easily managed by trimming it off ridge excess with a sharp small knife for smooth and neat lines. Proper flipping, weight and cheesecloth folding over cheese, pressing time (48 hrs pressing seems a bit long) helps too.
On a side note about your ale and wine making ... Be careful about yeast spreading between that and your cheese projects ... Keep them separate and well sanitized to avoid yeast contamination....or bad things will happen :)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on July 02, 2016, 06:21:12 PM
Just wanted to follow up.  Cheese #1 still looks like it did in the photo above.  Hasn't cracked, puffed up or grown mold.  It's been in the mead fridge and I turn it every week or two.  Looking forward to trying it soon.

Cheese #2 is on the stove.  Hoping for good results.
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: Fritz on July 03, 2016, 12:59:39 AM
Nice... We want pics!...  Or it never happened ;)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on July 04, 2016, 02:58:50 PM
OK, pictures.  :D

After the first 12 hour pressing, a little lumpy.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7571/28082591625_da0e75c868.jpg)


After the 2nd 12 hour pressing, nicely formed.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7447/28048587176_c70d9f49c6.jpg)


And a nice bowl of ricotta.  I didn't let it dry as much this time, and added salt, and it came out really really nice.  I made spinach raviolis with it.

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7340/27467852503_31b0d58678.jpg)

Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: Fritz on July 05, 2016, 03:30:19 PM
If we may help...looks like it needs a bit more of "top-down" pressing...as in.. did it even have a top follower?  :o  describe please how you pressed it?
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on July 05, 2016, 06:46:03 PM
Wrapped the curd in cloth and put it in the basket.  Put a small plate on top, followed by a larger plate which held weights.  As time went on and the cheese got flatter I had to add more small plates so the large one didn't rest on the lip of the mold.

I think that initial lumpiness was the cloth bunched up around the curds.  The final result is quite flat on both sides.


Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: Fritz on July 06, 2016, 03:34:26 AM
Very good... If I may suggest ... Draw a single layer of cheesecloth over the top of the cheese... Smooth with the surface. If necessary draw the opposite side same way ... Smooth single layer over the top... The rest of the cheesecloth can be gathered above the follower (plate in your case) or off to the sides...... But not in the way of the weights or press. Sorry if I confused you with my description...lol... Will leave a smoother top.
Your original proposed cheddar (had it come to be) would have required quite a bit of pressure to stitch the curd together. You will eventually need a press or some well balanced weights on top of a follower to your mould. I noticed you are using a basket style mould. I know they are getting quite good with mould material strength, but your basket may not hold up to the psi required for a cheddar. Just a friendly FYI . :)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: valley ranch on August 11, 2016, 07:32:34 PM
RedDawn, Can we have an update on that cheese. Have a great day.

Richard
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on August 22, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
Here they are in the spare fridge.  I've been turning them every week or two. Don't see any discoloration, cracks or bulging.


(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8870/29086107241_87abe5196d_z.jpg)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: Fritz on August 24, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
Is that ....like... Two cheeses in one wax shell ? How is that even possible!? ..lol... you've got skills man :)
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on August 28, 2016, 02:38:46 AM
LOL!  No, just one on top of the other.  I don't have a lot of room to spread them out. :)

Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: RedDawn on December 12, 2016, 06:23:28 PM
Here's an update. We cut the cheese last night. (Insert joke here).

It's 9 month old. It looked good.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/680/31565392606_1c4309725e.jpg)

I took one half to a potluck with two other cheeses, a purchased brie with truffles and a purchased cambozola, and put out a nice cheese board.  Everyone who tried it said it was good.

The texture is firm, but crumbly when you cut into it, and sooo creamy once it gets into your mouth. It doesn't slice well. The flavor is definitely aged cheddar, kind of mild, without that sharp metallic taste some aged cheddar have.  IMO it could have used more salt.

The kicker for me though, as we were preparing to leave and I wrapped up the leftovers one of my friends came over and picked up the cheddar and jokingly said "I'll just take this home with me". I said "sure", and as he turned away another friend said "Hey I get half of that, host's privilege!"   ;D

Now I'm interested in opening the 6mo old cheddar to see how it compares.

Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: awakephd on December 12, 2016, 09:48:31 PM
Sounds like you got great results - AC4U!
Title: Re: advice for a noob?
Post by: Danbo on December 13, 2016, 06:42:02 AM
I agree with Fritz regarding the single layer of cheese cloth at the follower...

In this post you can watch a short video of how I pack my moulds:

https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,13884.msg105747.html#msg105747 (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,13884.msg105747.html#msg105747)

:-) Danbo