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Title: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on January 20, 2017, 01:57:02 AM
To be continued (as I make it up)

To be completely honest, I do not feel that I have the experience or the tools to properly execute my goal cheese in the first try. If anyone has any suggestions on improving my method please give them to me as this is a work in progress.

I plan to give the cheese a b linens infused brine wash after about 5 days (or as soon as I see any unwanted blue mold growing). The cheese will be kept at very high humidity while I mature the b linens and attempt to keep the blue mold from coming in. After I feel the linens has secured its territory, I will stop brushing off the blue, as well as lower the humidity slightly. Fingers crossed!

I will continue to update this original post as things progress, so keep your eyes open and hearts atwitter!

Mistakes I made/changes I feel need to happen:


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Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Al Lewis on January 20, 2017, 02:11:40 PM
Looks great!  Should make an awesome blue with those beautiful gaps in the curd.  You molded that, and rubbed it up, perfectly.  AC4U ;D
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: awakephd on January 20, 2017, 02:22:42 PM
Sounds like a good experiment. In terms of the rubbing, I think what you show looks fine. The only suggestion I would offer is to wait a couple of days, leaving the cheese in the mold and flipping periodically, before removing it from the mold and rubbing it - this lets the cheese soften up a bit.

FWIW, my "Stilton-esque" attempt a few weeks ago developed quite a signficant amount of linens on each end, due to trouble I had with my ripening box arrangement (the ends stayed too damp). I'm still waiting for this cheese to finish its ripening (aiming for 12-14 weeks), but when I cut it and bagged it at 6 weeks, the combination seemed acceptable, though hard to be sure with the immaturity of the cheese and the fact that I added too much salt.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on January 22, 2017, 07:47:53 PM
Update-- I got worried that the outside of the cheese was not starting to get slimey at all and so there wasn't any yeast or geo or whatever it is that needs to raise the ph of my rind for me. So, I gave one of my b linens that has a well established colony of bacteria a good rub down with a little brine and then schmeared that enthusiastically all The American. I was able to even out he surface of the cheese while at the same time hopefully spreading some good micro flora. Fingers crossed. O0
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: AnnDee on January 24, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
Maybe let the blue well established before getting the blinens overactive? Because the blinens will start to melt the inner paste (plus the geo too), I have a runny around the edges raclette courtesy of overactive blinens.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on January 24, 2017, 05:56:06 PM
Ann, because I do not own any of the yeast or molds that help b linens grow, the surface is not getting sticky and b linens is having a hard time getting established I think. I have not even poked holes in it yet but your comment has inspired me to do the puncturing now so that I at least end up with a super tasty blue.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Gregore on January 25, 2017, 05:22:49 AM
It quite often takes 5 to 7 days for geo to show up  on my cheeses , so don't worry too much about it as you made this on the 19th ??..
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on January 25, 2017, 05:55:53 AM
Quote from: Gregore on January 25, 2017, 05:22:49 AM
It quite often takes 5 to 7 days for geo to show up  on my cheeses , so don't worry too much about it as you made this on the 19th ??..
I made it on the 17th, which would put it at the upper end of your range. In general, I tend to worry that the sky is falling when it comes to my cheeses and then over react. Really what I need is some kind of constant lifeline of someone I can text and ask quick questions that google and this forum don't seem to answer right away. A cheese mentor if you will.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Al Lewis on January 25, 2017, 02:21:25 PM
If you want b linens to grow add 1/4 teaspoon of them to a spray bottle filled with your brine and mist your cheese every day.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on January 25, 2017, 05:19:54 PM
I have been applying a 3% brine that has b linens almost daily.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Al Lewis on January 25, 2017, 05:22:34 PM
Then hang in there, they'll come. :o
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on January 25, 2017, 06:02:11 PM
Alright, I have given both he blue mold and b linens what they need to survive. Now it is time to let them battle it out! May the best adjunct win, or will there be a twist ending and they will live in harmony. Stay tuned to find out! :o
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Al Lewis on January 25, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
The blue will win and every thing in your cave will be blue from now on. LOL ;D
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: AnnDee on January 25, 2017, 09:55:22 PM
Looks like the blue and red has started to flourish. Congrats!
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on February 05, 2017, 08:56:17 PM
The cheese is going exactly as I had hoped! The flavor train has left the station and in a month or two it will arrive in my mouth. Hopefully the cheese maintains its structure with all this micro organism activity.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: nccheesemike on February 05, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
Great looking cheese there Doc! Love the experimentation idea! Look forward to hearing the taste results!
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: AnnDee on February 06, 2017, 01:27:29 PM
Very nice! Beautiful cheese Jobe.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: AnnDee on February 06, 2017, 01:28:26 PM
A cheese for your creation.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on February 12, 2017, 09:25:42 PM
Truly red white and blue now. I plan to age it about 2 months but am not sure yet if I will open earlier. Need to figure out a core sample device.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Al Lewis on February 13, 2017, 02:36:04 AM
If you don't have a trier use a potato peeler.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: AnnDee on February 13, 2017, 05:38:47 AM
How about an apple corer, some time ago I believe Gregore gave that idea.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Gregore on February 13, 2017, 06:11:53 AM
A boba straw works really well
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on February 28, 2017, 07:27:13 AM
This cheese smelt a little like ammonia today which spooked me so I cracked it open (40 days old). As you can see it does a little blue "flecking". The paste in the middle is chalky consistency, which I think means it needs more aging? Other than being too salty and having not enough blue flavor, the cheese is pretty good. If I make this again I will puncture it later and make sure to manage the humidity better; oh, and less salt. Also, while I do like the taste of cultured buttermilk in my cheeses, I am in need some new cultures before I get sick of it (my last 4 cheeses have had it in them). Do people make lower profile blue cheeses?
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: awakephd on February 28, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
Yes, I'd say you need to age it longer. I find that a blue cheese at 6 weeks (right about where you are at 40 days) is rather disappointing, with only a little bit of blue flavor. At 12 weeks, though, the flavor has developed dramatically.
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Al Lewis on February 28, 2017, 04:24:04 PM
Cheeses typically give off an ammonia odor.  Once that stops they are ready to eat, in many instances.  Next time you try this one be sure to pierce it to get your blue growing inside. AC4U!
Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: Gregore on March 01, 2017, 05:54:46 AM
Are you able to put the piece back in and use spare paste to seal it up ? If so age it longer .



Bagging it now will stop the blue from aging it more , so enzymes would have to do all the work .

Title: Re: The American- A Red, White, and Blue cheese (my personal recipe)
Post by: DoctorCheese on March 01, 2017, 06:00:35 AM
Quote from: Gregore on March 01, 2017, 05:54:46 AM
Are you able to put the piece back in and use spare paste to seal it up ? If so age it longer .
Bagging it now will stop the blue from aging it more , so enzymes would have to do all the work .
It is too late now, but the cheese tastes good as it is now. I will do things different next time to help the blue grow inside better. I do not like super strong blue anyway, so I am not disappointed with my results.