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Title: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on April 18, 2017, 11:37:24 AM
Hi-  My Brie is coming out earthy in flavor.  Any idea why? I'm using the recipe on New England cheese. The texture is awesome buttery smooth and silky.  Is it the milk?
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on April 18, 2017, 11:46:13 AM
Wait I just realized it's only 5 weeks old maybe it needs longer.
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: SOSEATTLE on April 19, 2017, 01:07:40 AM
Brie is supposed to have a mushroomy/earthy flavor.


Susan
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Gregore on April 19, 2017, 04:38:55 AM
Some cultures are like that , is this a commercial culture ? 
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on April 19, 2017, 11:26:35 AM
Here is the recipe-
- 1 Pack of Rick's Mesophilic C101 culture OR 1/4 teaspoon of MM100
The next 2 cultures are surface ripening molds and should be added to the milk when culture is added.
- Geotrichum C7 - just a pinch (about 1/32 tsp.) 
- P.candidum C8 - 1/16 tsp.
- Calcium Chloride 1/4 tsp- If having problems with forming a good curd using cold stored milk then this can help. We do not use this with fresh milk.

Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: AeonSam on April 20, 2017, 02:05:00 PM
Hello,

I typically use Flora Danica for brie since it's more buttery. I've found the mm cultures to produce a rubbery texture in Brie and Cams.

Sam
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on April 20, 2017, 10:29:56 PM
I was at a restaurant last night and had a Brie that was like eating a buttery cheese with no earthy. ..wish I knew the producer
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: AeonSam on April 20, 2017, 10:53:25 PM
I would definitely give Flora Danica from Danisco or Probat 222, or even Meso B from biena a try. These all produce more butter tastes.

Sam
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Gregore on April 21, 2017, 05:24:41 AM
When you say earthy .... do you mean like dirt ?  Or barn yard , hay ? Or mushroomy ?

A good cam should have a coliflower  type taste also
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on April 21, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
The cheese taste creamy smooth mellow then you are left in your mouth a bitter taste at the end.  Not mushroom I like mushroom
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: AeonSam on April 21, 2017, 05:20:49 PM
For what it's worth - I read that bitter peptides are a result of proteins breaking down too quickly and one of many causes is an aggressive strain of PC. I went down to a more moderate PC (ABL) and I stopped having that issue.

Sam
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on April 21, 2017, 11:42:19 PM
thanks all..
Too bad I can't send out samples.
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Gregore on April 22, 2017, 05:36:07 AM
I agree a less aggressive will help a lot

But I also find that the bitter ending mellows as they get older , geo can be a little acrid on the finish notes .

Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on April 26, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
Thank you everyone .. back to the lab lol
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on April 26, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
Hi-  I'm back.  So I cut a blue cheese I made and it has the same musty basement taste as my brie.  It was of course covered with all kinds of colors where the brie only the white.
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Gregore on April 27, 2017, 05:03:00 AM
This could be where it came from on your brie, my wife had a jar of kefir in my cheese fridge dormant as a back up .  One day I noticed all my cheeses with this acrid after finish , and dumped a whole bunch of them .

Months later it was still happening so I washed the fridge down , and noticed this jar , popped the lid and bam! That taste but in smell form . Her culture has made it out the  plastic screw on lid and all over my cheeses .

As hobbiests that make many types of cheeses we have to expect cross contamination and cheeses that do not match in flavor  the true form of the cheese we are trying to emilate .
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: Dorchestercheese on May 02, 2017, 11:52:53 PM
I think I'm smelling ammonia as earthy...should I be airing out my brie like some advocate for blues?
Title: Re: Brie very 'earthy'
Post by: awakephd on May 03, 2017, 06:36:27 PM
Ammonia is part of the process that produces the softening of a brie or cam. The trick is to have enough, but not too much. Airing it out will help, especially airing it out for an hour or so before consumption.