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Title: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: awakephd on July 08, 2019, 03:17:19 PM
It has been quite a while since I posted a set of photos demonstrating a make of cheese, but over the past few months there have been several questions about making camembert. I decided to document my latest make - which I actually made a month ago, but just now am getting the chance to organize the pictures and make the post. Fortunately, the delay in getting it posted means we are only 2-3 weeks from when the cheese should be ready, so it won't be as long until I can follow up with pictures of the results.

First set of pictures illustrates the setup that I do:
Title: Second set of pictures - the recipe and the make, part 1
Post by: awakephd on July 08, 2019, 04:05:20 PM
So I called this camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie" - say what??

If you do a search on the forum for "malembert," you will find several posts from OzzieCheese (Mal), with his recipe for camembert. I am using a slightly modified form of that recipe. However, I don't have enough molds of the right size for true camembert, nor do I have a mold for brie. So I make something that is in-between in size - thus, "camembrie."

Ingredients:
And here is the make, part 1, illustrated by the pictures:
Title: Third set of pictures - the make, part 2
Post by: awakephd on July 08, 2019, 04:29:59 PM
I ended the previous post with the curds cut and resting for 15 minutes. Here is the rest of the make, again illustrated by the pictures below. Warning: much of this is NOT the traditional way to do camembert, but rather reflects the equipment and molds I have available:
Title: Fourth set of pictures - salting and affinage
Post by: awakephd on July 08, 2019, 05:07:13 PM
At the end of the previous post, the curds were in the molds, having been flipped several times, covered, and allowed to drain and acidify for 12-24 hours (I usually do 24 hours). After the curds have been draining and acidifying for up to 24 hours, the pH should have bottomed out at around 4.6 or so - but I no longer bother to check it, since after this much time it will have gone as low as it is going to go! So I move on to the salting and affinage of the cheese:
At this point, the cheese feels somewhat firm - not hard, but definitely not squishy. After about 5 weeks, they will just start to feel squishy on the edges, but they are not done yet. After 6-7 weeks, they feel somewhat squishy in the middle and pretty squishy on the edges - this is when I like to start eating them. I'm 2-3 weeks away from that point with this batch ... but when they get there, I will take pictures and update this thread.

I hope this photo essay will be helpful to others who are starting out with camembert - even though much of this is customized for my equipment and molds and such. If you found this helpful, I highly recommend searching for one of OzzieCheese's "malembert" posts; this will give you more or less the same recipe, but using the traditional size molds, and therefore following a more traditional procedure in the make. Between his makes and mine, hopefully you will see a way to use the equipment you have on hand to make this marvelous cheese.
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: Duntov on July 10, 2019, 09:23:42 PM
Great write up!
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: awakephd on July 10, 2019, 11:24:34 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: mikekchar on July 11, 2019, 03:57:19 AM
Awesome!  Thanks :-)  I will be making camembert once it gets around to fall time (November time frame)...  It's a bit hot now, but looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: Susan38 on July 11, 2019, 03:58:30 PM
Well done!  If I ever make camembert I will be sure to be looking at this post beforehand!  This must have taken quite a bit of your time to compile, deserving a cheese for that, as well as for the detail-oriented steps that everyone can follow.

A related question...you say you cut the curd with a frosting knife, then in the next step you say you use a "homemade vertical curd cutter"...are you meaning a horizontal curd cutter?  And is the picture of it on IMG 6463?  I also see part of it in your sanitization pans, but would like to see the whole thing if possible (or have you already posted a pic of it in the Equipment board?  if so I will look there).

Looking forward to the followup when the process is complete!
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: awakephd on July 11, 2019, 08:01:56 PM
Hi Susan,

You are correct - the mondo frosting knife is for making the vertical cuts, and the homemade cutter is for making horizontal cuts - I'll go back and correct that. And yes, IMG6463 is a picture of that homemade cutter.

I developed this design a few years ago, and described it as part of a write-up on a swiss make: https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,13485.0.html. (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,13485.0.html.) I also made a fancy version of this cutter for a friend, and put together a YouTube video so that he could see how to use it. The first two or three minutes of the video explains the basic concept in detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBDTISb9sR4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBDTISb9sR4). Though the fancy one was fun to make, I am still using my first version, the one shown in the swiss make link above. Nothing fancy, but it still works a treat!

Let me know if you have any questions!
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: Susan38 on July 12, 2019, 03:47:07 AM
Thanks for the info and especially the links; you saved me a lot of time searching the forum.  I like this style better than a "harp", now I just need to make one.
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: mikekchar on July 12, 2019, 05:26:29 AM
Oh wow!  That's super cool and probably within my ability to make.  As soon as I get home (at the MIL's) I'm going to make one.
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: awakephd on July 12, 2019, 05:41:56 PM
If you want to try out the idea in a super simple way, in the thread where I discuss the swiss make and show the cutter, I included a link to the inspiration for my design. If I remember correctly, that original design was ultra-simple, just using a dowel rod with 1" markings inked on it, with indexing done by hand and eye, rather than with a mechanical stop as in my design.
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: awakephd on July 16, 2019, 11:06:03 AM
Brief update - the cams still have about a week to go to be at the optimum stage ... but I often open one a bit early. Pictures are below - at this point, the interior is still very crumbly, while the outside is very creamy. I really like eating one at this stage - a lovely combination of flavor and texture.

In another week, it will be creamy most of the way through, with maybe still a little crumbly in the very middle - this is, for me, the optimum stage. I will post a couple of pictures of what it looks like at that point in another week or so. Meanwhile, I'm off to enjoy some "young malembrie." :)
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: TravisNTexas on July 16, 2019, 01:24:34 PM
Fantastic writeup Andy, and very much appreciated!  AC4U
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: awakephd on July 16, 2019, 10:30:27 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: H-K-J on July 17, 2019, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: TravisNTexas on July 16, 2019, 01:24:34 PM
Fantastic writeup Andy, and very much appreciated!  AC4U
I agree acfu :)
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: Susan38 on July 18, 2019, 04:49:26 AM
Hey Andy--that cheese looks like it needs the company of a crusty loaf of French bread and a good bottle of wine!  Very nice!  --Susan
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: awakephd on July 19, 2019, 04:00:02 PM
Thanks! I've been enjoying it along with some home-made bread, toasted very crisp. And also by itself. And with grapes or cherries. And ... well, let's just say I am fortunate that no one else in my family likes camembert, so I get to be my own best customer!
Title: Final pictures
Post by: awakephd on July 31, 2019, 08:37:11 PM
Two final pictures to finish out the documentation of this batch of cheese. The first is the second of the three cheeses that I made. As you can see, I had already consumed quite a bit before I got around to taking a picture! This one had another week or so of ripening as compared to the first, and as I expected, it was just about optimal. There is still a core that *looks* a bit crumbly, but in terms of mouth feel it is fully creamy, and it is completely smooth when spread on toast or crackers. Taste has some bite right next to the outside.

The second picture shows the third and final wheel. It went a bit longer than I would have liked, due to my being out of town; I would call this one a bit past prime. As shown in picture, it has been sitting out for a bit, warming up a little and allowing accumulated ammonia to escape. It is quite gooey pretty much throughout - gooey, but not runny. It was only after sitting out for some time that the sides had oozed all the way down as shown in the picture. The taste has gotten quite a bit of bite, especially towards the outer edges; still enjoyable eaten by itself, but this cheese is now best used on other things. For example, a slice of this on steamed broccoli or cauliflower is unbelievable - it melts into what one might think was a smooth and utterly delicious cheese sauce, but it is simply this cheese laid on top of the hot veggies.

This concludes this edition of "Malembrie for the Masses," brought to you by the local dairy council and the Forum for Cheese. :)
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: H-K-J on August 01, 2019, 02:41:06 AM
Num num num acfu  :P
Title: Re: Photo essay - camembert AKA "malembert" AKA "camembrie"
Post by: awakephd on August 01, 2019, 10:39:40 PM
Thanks!