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Title: Alpkäse / Alpine - home making recipe with Ph markers- my first thread :)
Post by: Mornduk on December 21, 2020, 02:44:36 AM
TL;DR: The best recipe and method is here (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,10373.0.html), the washing is explained here (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,10633.0.html), the harp cutter here (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,12157.0.htm), mother cultures here (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,5165.0.html). The Ph markers are 6.8 (start), 6.65 (rennet), 6.4 (form), 5.35 (brine).

Context

I discovered this forum 5 yeas ago when I started to explore making my own charcuterie and cheese. This is by far the best online resource I've found for making cheese at home.

This is my first thread. I never felt like opening a new topic since all I do has been covered more extensively, by more knowledgeable people, in the past. But I wanted to do a small tribute as a way of thanks for Alpkäserei. He also asked for the pH markers, and since he's no longer active and won't be able to edit his topic, I felt it was ok to start a new one.

Alpkäse is not something I'd have thought making when I started, it didn't even register in my to-do list at all. My favorite cheese was well aged Manchego, and my wife's was Parmesan. For us Alpine cheeses were something you used for fondue and therefore a commodity you didn't need nor want to invest the time and do yourself.

But after seeing how passionate Alpkäserei was about no-holes-allowed, well-aged, no-fondue Alpine cheeses, and given the detailed procedures he had shared, I couldn't resist giving it a try.

Now Alpkäse is our favorite cheese and I've made it more often than the next two or three combined.

Process


Pictures

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3 Gallons of raw Jersey Milk mixed with the mother cultures as explained here (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,5165.0.html), about to get the lid on and rest while I heat the other half. 2/3 6" deep hotel pan.

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6G mixed and heating to 91F in full 8" hotel pan over a bain marie. I originally get this pan to SV in the 2/3 6" (3G capacity), but I quickly wanted to make larger wheels and added the bain marie set instead of a double hotel pan.

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Mixed the rennet. I love the lids to help against accidental contamination, although in Alpkäse you spend so much time stirring it's not as helpful as in Chaource, for example.

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Bowl is no longer spinning.

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First "coarse" cut.

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Reducing the curd to pea size with the harp cutter – I love it, took the idea from here (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,12157.0.htm). I drilled ½" spacing in two sides and 1/3" in the other two so I can get all common sizes depending on how I thread the fishing wire.

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Stirring the curds in an 8 pattern -curd should not be this color yet, I reduced with the harp too quickly this time... in my defense I was distracted writing the instructions and taking the pictures for this post ☹

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Curd is no longer milky and white, and it's time to turn the heat on and cook it slowly.

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Pressing under whey, I started with 10 and went up to 20 lbs over a couple of hours, flipping six times total.

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I initially planned to build this press (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,14493.0.html), but put together something quickly with materials I had handy because I already had the raw milk... and it's been four years and counting... it's roomy around to wrap in seedling heat mats when I need to press at 70-90F. I have put 300lbs on it without an issue, and that's enough for all the cheeses I've made so far. I should have built it shorter, but I had no experience making cheese and I saw some people talking about piling two forms one over the other or using double Dutch presses, so I made it tall just in case. It hasn't flipped over so far so I haven't bothered.

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I usually put 1% of the cheese weight in salt over the top, and again when I flip in the middle of the brining period. That keeps the brine at ~18% with very little adjustments, which is where I try to have it.

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I used to air dry before and after brining, in a ripening container. Now I brine directly depending on the time of the day and use no container since humidity inside the cheese is high enough anyway for the ~6 hours I'll leave it on the counter (in my limited experience).

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And finally here it is, ready to get its first wash per Alpkäserei's instructions (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,10633.0.html). You can see a 1 month, 3 month, 5 month siblings on the side. At 6 months I vacuum seal them to make space in the cave. In the bottom shelf there are other cheeses that were due a wash that day (Mahón, Tête de Moine, and Appenzeller).
Title: Re: Alpkäse / Alpine - home making recipe with Ph markers- my first thread :)
Post by: not_ally on December 21, 2020, 06:10:47 AM
Mornduk, this is a fantastic post, so much focused information about so many topics in the post, the links, and even under the photos! I read it through once but now am going to go back and read the whole thing carefully, probably several times, an awful lot to chew on here.  I don't think I've ever seen a recipe which troubleshoots every question before it is asked like this, pretty amazing.  This is definitely going into the alpine research primer/file in its entirety.

A cheese for you, I just wish I could make it ten.  I think Alp would be honored.  Thanks for taking the time to do this.

ETA: a question, which meso/thermo cultures did you use to make the two mother cultures?  I just started looking at alpine recipes and it seemed like at least as far as the thermo part goes Thermo C was a good basic culture for them? More comfortable with mesos, but finding the thermos a bit harder to assess.
Title: Re: Alpkäse / Alpine - home making recipe with Ph markers- my first thread :)
Post by: Mornduk on December 21, 2020, 05:43:26 PM
Thanks mexicalidesi.

I think you would be ok with Thermo C, it has helveticus and thermophilus. Probably any thermo would work. I use that proportion of AlpD and Su Casu because it was the closer to mimic the objective mix with the cultures I had on hand at that point, and it has worked so far. I would use Thermo B or Thermo C without hesitation if I ran out of the other ones. There was a discussion about it here (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,10223.msg76064.html#msg76064).

I tried to get the culture that  Alpkäserei used (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,10215.msg76443.html#msg76443), MK 410 Lyo, but they politely told me they do not ship outside Switzerland. Now I haven't been there in six years but next time I'm around you can bet I'll try to get some. On the mother cultures, I just incubated the same culture mix in different containers, one at room temperature and one at 110F, so I would have a meso and a thermo part. Now next steps would be to play with different ratios and develop my own  whey culture (https://cheeseforum.org/forum/index.php/topic,10345.0.html), but I haven't had time to geek that out yet and I'm not sure my 6G/week cheesemaking could sustain it (I only do mother cultures because they can be frozen).
Title: Re: Alpkäse / Alpine - home making recipe with Ph markers- my first thread :)
Post by: Boofer on December 24, 2020, 04:37:38 PM
Wow!

What a wonderful, clear alpine clinic you have penned here. Excellent. Very detailed and informative.

Thank you for taking the time and devoting such attention to this cheese style. Have a cheese.

-Boofer-
Title: Re: Alpkäse / Alpine - home making recipe with Ph markers- my first thread :)
Post by: mikekchar on December 26, 2020, 12:27:55 AM
Thanks for all of this!  I was literally talking to my wife about the need for making this kind of cheese last night :-)  The whey culture thread is amazing too.  Since I have no source of raw milk, I'm actually thinking about getting a "kefir culture" (basically *not* kefir, but a fairly complex mix of strains of bacteria *without* the yeasts) and using that for adding complexity to the culture.  However, this looks like a complete PITA :-)  Basically you either have to make cheese or yogurt every day, if I understand correctly.  Still, that's not necessarily a bad thing.  Linuxboy's comment about multi-stage cultures made me think of Yorkshire Wensleydale.  I was reading the PDO document the other day and they *require* a 6 stage culture.  It was the first time I'd heard of it, but I guess it's much more common than I thought.
Title: Re: Alpkäse / Alpine - home making recipe with Ph markers- my first thread :)
Post by: Mornduk on January 18, 2021, 12:10:05 AM
Just an update, today it became 1 month old and I gave it the last daily wash. I'll start doing weekly ones for the next couple of months and then let it alone. I know my own post says 10 days of daily but I'm planning to let this one age for 2+ years if possible so I wanted a thick rind.

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