Good afternoon, I read in one of the goat forums about someone asking about 'goaty tasting milk' well I have to say I have myself had this only once in two years, and instantly gave the milk to the dogs, as they love it, i dont milk all my goats and conjoin the milk together instantly, i milk each one, then filter and see if it has been contaminated, if not i then conjoin with the other tested milk and then filter and instantly put in the freezer for one hour. What do you do to make sure you dont get goaty milk?
You should check your goat for mastitis or other staph infection.
Also, how quickly are you cooling the milk, it should be chilled rather quickly to avoid the "goaty taste".
Effecient cooling and clean milk without to much hair in it are two big ones. We cool ours in a bucket of ice water in the fridge. This works well with a half gallon or less. Stir while doing this would chill it faster.
One more thing if your bucks are too close to your does you can wind up with "bucky" milk. Ours are separated by about a 50' pasture.
Clean udder of dust and hair, milk into a bucket that is partly covered to prevent dust and debris falling in.
Filter and chill immediately.
Don't store in larger than 1/2 gallon jars unless you have means to quick chill.
Also, don't agitate the milk at any point.
Quote from: Alice in TX/MO on August 04, 2010, 09:04:31 PM
Clean udder of dust and hair, milk into a bucket that is partly covered to prevent dust and debris falling in.
Filter and chill immediately.
Don't store in larger than 1/2 gallon jars unless you have means to quick chill.
what if you want to make cheese right after milking, do you have to chill and warm back up?
Thanks
I have noticed with my girls that they also tend to smell a bit goatier when they go into heat. My 13 yr old daughter does not like the milk when they are in heat because of this. I keep my buck away from them, on the other side of house/property.
No, if you are making cheese that morning, just use it from the warm state, but don't wait four hours or something. Do it right away.
Quote from: Alice in TX/MO on August 06, 2010, 02:13:27 PM
No, if you are making cheese that morning, just use it from the warm state, but don't wait four hours or something. Do it right away.
Got it, thanks!
Goaty tasting milk !
What's wrong with it?
If you raise goats and you do not like "Goaty tasting milk" switch to cows !
Goaty tasting milk is a key for making goat cheese !
Um. Wrong. If the milk tastes goaty, there IS a problem.
Alice, the Goat Lady
OK.
let's put things this way:
despite hygiene , proper feeding and proper handling goat milk should smell goatly.
It is wrong to expect that smells like a cow's.
Or better said cow(ly) smell milk is normal for cows. Not for goats, not for sheep, yaks, etc.
the same applies to meet.
if the goat is not healthy the milk can smell bedly, but I would not call it the goatly smell!
Maybe we need to clarify what is meant by goaty. Meyenberg is goaty because it has been damaged in over handling. My bucks smell goaty because they pee on themselves to make that lovely goat cologne.
My does' goat milk is not goaty. ;D It just smells like milk. When I use it on cereal, you can't tell it's goat milk.
Quote from: Tar on September 04, 2010, 05:45:25 AM
...........the same applies to meet..............
sorry, I meant
meat Quote from: Alice in TX/MO on September 04, 2010, 08:15:52 PM
Maybe we need to clarify what is meant by goaty.
it seems that's the problem.
Quote from: Alice in TX/MO on September 04, 2010, 08:15:52 PM
....My does' goat milk is not goaty. ;D It just smells like milk. When I use it on cereal, you can't tell it's goat milk.
But how can you make cheese with goat odour if there is no goat(y) smell in milk ?
I don't make cheese with goat odor. I just make cheese with my goat milk.
There are certain breeds of goat that have strong flavored milk. I don't have those.
If you let the milk get old or treat it roughly, it might taste goaty. Mine doesn't.
If you didn't wash up after feeding the bucks, it might taste goaty. :P
Excuse me if I'm persistent.
first to clarify that horny buck smell is not goatl(y) smell. >:D
Next let me explain goat(y) smell as I see It.
"Goat's milk fat contains appreciable amounts of caproic, caprylic, and capric fatty acids. Although these fatty acids are not unique to the goat, they are more abundant in goat's milk than milk from other species. They are responsible for the characteristic flavor and odor of cheeses made from goat's milk."
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ds134 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ds134)
In France, Spain or Greece, countries with great goat cheeses and more than one million goats each, goat(y) smell in goat cheese is absolutely essential. It is so obvious that is rarely mentioned (It would be pleonasm).Still here and there you can see description like this: "......its paste of cream-ivory colour has a typical savour of goat and a melting texture in mouth."
http://www.aftouch-cuisine.com/en/rocamadour-85.htm (http://www.aftouch-cuisine.com/en/rocamadour-85.htm)
or : "Odour of the Rocamadour cheese: light caprine odour."
http://androuet.com/Le%20Fromage%20fermier-68_guide-fromage.html?PHPSESSID=34bd17e86c3a941286d0a01d64608377 (http://androuet.com/Le%20Fromage%20fermier-68_guide-fromage.html?PHPSESSID=34bd17e86c3a941286d0a01d64608377)
It is impossible to achive "a typical savour of goat" or "light caprine odour" in cheese if there is no the the same goat smell in the milk. But it is easy to understand that it is harder to detect since it is diluted 10:1 , the usual milk : cheese ratio.
The same applies to ewe's cheese. It must have ewe(ly) or sheep(y) smell.Generally speaking goat's and sheep's cheeses are more expensive then cow's. The smell(savour, odour) is what you pay for.
Not for "melting texture" or "slight nutty taste"........wich are excellent but can be achieved in cow's cheese too.
On the other hand it seems that in USA goat(y) smell is consideras a fault. So the internet advertisements do not mention goat odor or goat(y) smell. Instead it is "more piquant" ;)...and so on.
I read somewhere that some people are extremely sensitive to the "bouquet" of goat milk/cheese, and perceive it as unpleasant. I know several people who don't like even mild goat cheeses.
When I tasted a friend's goat cheddar recently, I remarked that I could definitely taste the goat essence (in a good way) compared to my cow cheddar. She said that she didn't notice any goaty nature in her cheese.
That said, I have tasted/smelled "bad" goaty milk/cheese which was maybe mis-handled, but it seems like some differences are due to differences in perception.
Also goaty tasting cheese comes from aging cheese and I think to some effect getting the whey out. I know our goats milk, Only I can tell the difference by taste between my Jersey and the Nubians milk. BUT the chevre definitely has an extra pop. I always attributed it to the different lipases in goats milk and the idea that it becomes more "concentrated" when I make cheese.
Quote from: mtncheesemaker(Pam) on September 07, 2010, 05:00:06 PM
I read somewhere that some people are extremely sensitive to the "bouquet" of goat milk/cheese, and perceive it as unpleasant. I know several people who don't like even mild goat cheeses.
That's true. Some if not most delicacy are controversial. Caviar, truffles, oysters........... Quite a few dislike it. Others pay a lot for it. The same applies to goat cheese. As for my wallet, unfortunately I like it all. Cohibas included.
Quote from: Minamyna on September 07, 2010, 05:17:23 PM
Also goaty tasting cheese comes from aging cheese
Generally it is true, but I'd rather say that it becomes stronger.
Quote from: Minamyna on September 07, 2010, 05:17:23 PM
............... my Jersey and the Nubians............
Jersey is Nubian amog cows!
Nubians I can only dream of. There are some nubians in Holland, and few here and there. There are quite enough in England of course, but real good herds(flocks) are in USA. And of course there is ADGA site where you can trace each animal's production and milk quality.
Maybe one day ..
Your goat cheese will have a tang to it but that is not the same as goaty tasting milk.
I have had many people tell me they do not like goat milk till they taste my goat milk. If you did not know it was from a goat you would not be able to tell.
The same with the cheese. People do not like the strong goaty taste of Cherve till they taste mine.
Steff
OK,
English is not my native language so misunderstanding is very likely...
But,
Quote from: steffb503 on September 13, 2010, 07:51:31 PM
..... If you did not know it was from a goat you would not be able to tell.
The same with the cheese. People do not like the strong goaty taste of Cherve till they taste mine....
Well, cultural differences are obvious. For me when you try cheese it is
necessary to identify wich animal milk is it made.
Some people do not like turkey meat. Then prepare turkey to kill it's turkey taste and smell. And then someone says : "excellent, this turkey tastes like chicken!" :o
ya thats right dogs love milk , but sometimes goat milk good for bones:-)
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