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Title: Provolone Cheese Making - Temperature?
Post by: DETERMINED on January 07, 2011, 07:13:59 PM
Can anybody explain to me why the Provolone recipe listed on this site requires a curd cook temp of 144 f.
I have researched the effects of temperature on the cultures and understand  that a slow controlled heating to 102 f would be of benefit for the cultures but ramping the heat up to 144 f in 45 minutes in my understanding would deactivate them prematurely.
I have been unable to come up with any beneficial purpose for this higher temp.
After researching this to death I can not find another Provolone recipe calling for this high temp either.
Could somebody with more knowledge shed some light on this for me.
Thanks  Dave
Title: Re: Provolone Cheese Making - Temperature?
Post by: tnsven on January 08, 2011, 01:25:08 PM
Hi Dave,

Not sure why that recipe would state 144 F. I've seen only mid-1teens.  And just did a batch myself (using a mozzarella recipe I like) and heated to 100 F.

From my experience, heating it make a drier, firmer cheese that ages better. Perhaps someone else will chime in though.

Kristin
Title: Re: Provolone Cheese Making - Temperature?
Post by: susanky on January 08, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
I don't know either.  But my best guess is that it's a typo and should be 104.
Susan
Title: Re: Provolone Cheese Making - Temperature?
Post by: dttorun on January 08, 2011, 09:02:13 PM
Is it for cooking the curds or knitting for stretching?
Title: Re: Provolone Cheese Making - Temperature?
Post by: DETERMINED on January 09, 2011, 02:17:02 AM

Hi dttorun I considered your reply

{Is it for cooking the curds or knitting for stretching?}

After digging a bit I found In an old post regarding the provolone recipe where someone recommended;

{ You can add a tsp of citric acid granules to the cold milk, to accelerate the acidity for the stretching}

This would be in line with my understanding that at that high of a temperature there would be little if any culture activity therefore little if any acidification taking place.
Until further acidification takes place you are no closer to your stretch point so I do not believe that to be the reason.

I am a person who likes to understand what I am doing and why I am doing it, it makes things easier to troubleshoot or change if I know and understand what I am doing .
This one has me puzzled if there is an effect this temperature is supposed to cause.
I just want to know what it is so I can take advantage of it or manipulate it to my liking.
Dave
Title: Re: Provolone Cheese Making - Temperature?
Post by: dttorun on January 09, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Hi Dave,
I believe you are using the recipe from cheeseforum and I believe the temperature given for heating the curds is wrong (item #9). It can't be 62C/144F.  It should be 40C/104F maximum.
https://cheeseforum.org/articles/wiki-provolone-cheese-making-recipe/ (https://cheeseforum.org/articles/wiki-provolone-cheese-making-recipe/)

The recipe I have from University of Guelph says max 39C (102F) for cooking and max internal temperature 60C (140F) for stretching.
Tan

Title: Re: Provolone Cheese Making - Temperature?
Post by: DETERMINED on January 09, 2011, 04:04:01 PM
Tan I  agree with you that it may be a typo.
Just not sure it is my place to be questioning the work of those with more experience than myself, guess anybody can have a typo.

If it is a typo who is empowered to make the correction so the next person to try the recipe doesn't have to go through what I did to come to this conclusion?

It was educational digging into this.
Dave
Title: Re: Provolone Cheese Making - Temperature?
Post by: Webmaster on February 05, 2011, 01:01:06 PM
Sorry for the typo, fixed, anyone is free to edit our Wiki Articles, see how to here (https://cheeseforum.org/articles/authoring/), just PM me for password.