My DIL and I are interested in making this cheese, and I don't have, nor can I find a recipe. I was wondering if someone has a recipe please.
There are about 2 or 3 recipes on [www.cheesemaking.com]
Oh gosh I can be stupid at times. :o I passed this site onto my DIL to have a look at as I was busy at the time, and never got around to checking it myself.
Thankyou Gustav, I will go back and have another look.
No prob. I actually want to make the Dolce Gorgonzola next.
I will check out that recipe also, before I make a decision. Many thanks.
Actually I realised that it wasn't this site that I passed on, it was another. My bad.
If cow's milk is used (not sheep as traditional states) how much lipase should one be using?
This is the recipe that we have decided that we are going to make. One by Jim Wallace from Rikki Carrols site. I have a couple of questions though first. Hopefully the parts that I want to query in the recipe are bolded.
For the butter milk, can pre made butter milk be used, or can we just use a regular mesophilic starter? I think the yoghurt is a bulgarian strain, so again could pre bought yoghurt be substituted?
He gives a time of 30 mins to set, but what would be the floc multiplier for this cheese. Thought I might try that for a change. Also what are the pH markers that we should be hitting throughout this cheese.
He gives a salting regime at the end, then says repeat this for the next 2 days. So my question is, the same amount of salt every day, or do we apply 1/3 of the original salt % given each day?
Any and all help would be much appreciated please.
Tomer this recipe doesn't call for lipase, so I guess the question still stands. Would lipase be added to a dolce, or to a regular gorgonzola.
Gorgonzola Dolce;
Before you Begin:
You will need:
2 gallon of Good quality whole milk (Not Ultra Pasteurized)
1 packet of our C-21 Buttermilk culture (mesophilic)
2.5 ozs. of our Y1 Yogurt (thermophilic) made up a day or so before the cheese making
1/16tsp C-9 Blue mold
Liquid single strength Rennet 1/2 tsp (but 1/4 tsp if using raw milk)
A good thermometer
A knife to cut the curds, and a spoon or ladle to stir the curds
A colander and butter muslin to drain the curds
1 of our our M3 Molds 2 draining mats
Cheese Salt
A sanitized probe about 1/8" diameter and about 8 inches in length to aerate the aging cheese. (I find a stainless skewer works well for this)
Everything needs to be clean and sanitized as well as your workspace.
Heating and Acidifying the milk:
Begin by heating the milk to 90F (32C). You do this by placing the pot of milk in a sink of very warm water. If you do this with a pot on the stove make sure you heat the milk slowly and stir it well as it heats.
Once the milk is at 90F the cultures and re-hydrated mold can be added. To prevent the powder from caking and sinking in clumps sprinkle the powder over the surface of the milk and then allow about 2 minutes for the powder to re-hydrate before stirring it in. Stir the milk well then stop stirring and allow the bacteria to work for 60 minutes while keeping at 90F (If the cream tends to rise it is OK to stir it back in briefly).
Coagulation with rennet:
Next add the single strength liquid rennet.
The milk now needs to sit quiet for 30 minutes while the culture works and the rennet coagulates the curd . Keep the developing curd at 90F during this time.
Cutting curds and releasing the whey:
Once the curd has formed well it can be cut. Begin with vertical cuts about 1" apart forming a checkerboard pattern on the surface. Then, using the spoon, break the resulting long strips by cutting crosswise in the vat but being very gentle.
When finished, stir the curds gently for 5 minutes and then allow the curds to rest for 15 minutes with only a brief gentle stir every 3-5 mines to keep them separated.
At the end of this rest, remove about 1.5-2 quarts of whey from the pot.
Again, stir the curds gently for 5 minutes and then allow the curds to rest for 15 minutes with only a brief gentle stir every 3-5 minutes to keep them separated.
This stirring and whey removal will harden the outside of the curds to keep them from matting in the mold. This provides the openings for mold development in the aging cheese. It is important to keep the curds at 90F during all of this.
Prepare the curds for molding:
During the resting period, sanitize a colander and butter muslin for the final curd draining.
The moist curds can now be transferred to the colander lined with butter muslin. They should be allowed to drain for several minutes and a gentle stirring will make sure that the whey drains off. It is essential to be gentle with these curds, since they are very soft, and not break them. You can assist the drainage by pulling up on the edges of the cloth and gently separating the curds.
Counter to what is done in consolidating curds well for other cheeses, the goal here is to keep the curds separate and allow the surfaces to harden somewhat. This will keep them separated when placed in the molds and preserve the open spaces inside the cheese for the blue to grow.
Molding the Curds:
The mold should be sanitized along with 2 of the draining mats. A rigid plate or board placed underneath will also help in turning this cheese. Prepare the mold by laying down a draining mat with the mold placed on top. No cheesecloth needs to be used with this.
The curds can now be placed in the molds. They can be packed in more tightly around the edge to make a better surface for the cheese but the center should be quite loose to assure the proper openings for mold growth.
It is quite important to keep the curds warm for the next several hours while the cultures continue to produce acid. I do this by placing the draining curds in a warm draining table with pans of hot water and an insulated cover and board to keep it all warm. You can easily do this by using a large insulated cooler with warm bottles of water. The target temp is 80-90F for the next 4-6 hours.
There is no weight used on this cheese but the mold should be turned 5 minutes after it has been filled to allow the weight of the cheese to form a smooth surface. The cheese should then be turned several more times during the first hour and then at least 1 time each hour for the next 4 hours.
By the next morning the cheese should be well consolidate but you may see some rough surfaces or openings. Do not be concerned by this.
Salting the Cheese:
We prefer to dry salt this cheese because of the open nature of the cheese body. Normally using about 2-2.5% of the cheese weight in salt for this. For this cheese you will need 1 oz. of a medium coarse cheese salt. This will be about 4 tsp. of our cheese salt but it is better to measure by weight because different salts have different weight/volume ratios. For dry salting, use 1/4 of the salt to begin with and apply to the top surface only, then spread it evenly with your hand and pat the salt onto the sides as you go. Allow this to dissolve and soak into the cheese. I generally take the cheese out of the mold for salting and then replace it in the mold for the salt to be absorbed.
The next morning turn the cheese and apply the salt as you did previously.
Repeat this for the next 2 days as well.
Aging:
The cheese is now ready for aging at 52-54F and 93-95% moisture. If the rind becomes dry, increase the moisture and if the surface becomes excessively wet, decrease moisture. Allow the cheese to age like this for 7-10 days. Then using a sanitized probe as indicated above, pierce the cheese with holes about every 3/4 to 1 inch. The cheese should now be ready for its final aging and will be ready for the table in about 90 days.
I have checked the culture strains in the butter milk and the yoghurt, and it seems that my farmhouse A mesophilic culture is very similar and so is one of the yoghurt cultures, so I think that I will use them, that way I won't have to order from overseas.
Any help/advise much appreciated please.
So you decided on the Dolce, I would like to see how it comes out as I want to make on as well ( As soon as I have spare time as planting watermelons & veggies occupy me at the moment.
;D I will see if I can get some answers tou ur questions.
Hey Tea, if at all practical, it would be great to see a picture of the final product. I am very curious as to the surface texture or knitting of the surface curds in this type of cheese, and if not, I'll just take your word on how great it looks. Best of luck
Sorry, I have one additional question. In folowing the recipe, the transition from day 1 to day 2, is the cheese draining in the mold at room temperature all this time? Thanks
If you go to www.cheesemaking.com (http://www.cheesemaking.com) and follow their recipe link, you will find a pic of this cheese. This is what we are aiming for.
Just received a reply from Jim Wallace, and the amount of salt stated is the total amount of salt used. He suggested to use 1/4 for the first day, them the rest over the next two days.
He also said the the farmhouse will not give the right flavour profile, as typically a farmhouse is a combination of meso and thermo strains.
So tossing up whether I should put this off for a few weeks, and ordering the recommended cultures.
I just happen to have 8 gallons of fresh goat milk this morning (nice butterfat from my nubians), and after reading your post, I got inspired, and decided to give it a shot. I followed the recipe you posted, and it actually all fell into place. It's in the mold now slowly draining and resting after the numerous flips it underwent. I guess salt tomorrow. Thanks
Excellent, some pics would be wonderful too. I wish I could get my hands on some fresh goats milk. Keep us updated on how everything is going.
Tea,
Jim is right about the Farmhouse - wrong culture. I would use either Aromatic B or Flora Danica. They both give off a little gas which will keep the texture more open. In a worst case scenario, you can use some cultured buttermilk. This is a meso culture without the Italian flavor notes of the Thermos. You could also use a little cultured Creme Fraiche if you can find that in your grocery.
Many thanks for your reply Sailor. I have the B culture listed below, but I am unure if it is an aromatic strain for not. I also have flora dancia.
QuoteType B starter is a 'mesophilic gas-producing starter' used to create cheeses with a rich, creamy flavour and texture. Type B is used in the making of Edam, Gouda, Havarti, Quarg, Cream Cheese, Sour Cream, Blue Vein Cheese,Chevre, Crottin Cheese, Gourmet Fetta, and many more! All these recipes are available in our Home Cheesemaking Book by Neil and Carole Willman. For those technically minded people, the exact name of the bacteria are: lactococcus lactis, subspecies lactis and lactococcus lactis subspecies cremoris and lactoccocus lactis suspecies lactis biovar diacetylactis.
ALso another questions if I may, are there any pH markers that we sould be aim for?
Many thanks again.
Hi all, Really loving the gorgonzola thread as that is my next cheese. I have 2 questions....
what is 'cheese salt'. Also, I notice that one of the posters talked about using goats milk but I always thought gorgonzola was a sheeps milk cheese... I will have to use cow as there is no sheeps milk available in Australia.
Thanks, TAMARA
Hi Tamara,
Sheep milk is very high in butterfat and has a very unique flavoring. Some of the best gorgonzola I have eaten always had a distinct buttery consistency I am sure if you used Jersey milk with a good aromatic strain, you would make great cheese. I use goat milk, because it's what I have available. I think the the reference to cheese salt means any of the coarse non-iodized type, here in the states they refer to it as kosher. I would think coarse sea salt would also work. No sheep in Australia? I always thought that there was a great quantity of sheep there, is no one milking them?
good luck
Quote from: TAMARA on August 12, 2011, 06:34:02 AM
what is 'cheese salt'.
George13 responded with one answer to your cheese salt question. It can also be "pickling salt" which is a finer grind and better suited to salting curds because it dissolves quicker. All cheese salt should be
non-iodized.
-Boofer-
Thanks George...
Yes, plenty of sheep in Australia but they raise them for meat so they don't make it to the milking shed. There are a few people milking sheep but they are doing it for their own cheese businesses coz they couldn't get their hands on the sheeps milk any other way. There is a huge demand now for sheeps milk so perhaps one day soon..
Lucky you to have fresh goats milk... I am having to buy it from the supermarket in silly 1lt bottles...drives me crazy to have to open a dozen or more of them at a time. I am trying to find a supplier of goats milk in bulk but have only found cow and buffalo (I guess I should be pretty happy about that though).
I am going to try buffalo and cow with the gorzonzola. I will keep you in the loop.
Happy cheesemaking..
TAMARA
Hello Tamara.
Fellow Australian here. Have you tried the A2 milk? It is beautiful for cheese making.
If you find a supply of sheep's milk, would be interested to know. I'm in Victoria.
Gorgonzola is sounding very interesting. Thanks for all the info Tea. Would love to know how it works anyone who is trying it. Is this the one on Ricki Carroll's internet site?
Cheers Gemma