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Title: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 14, 2011, 02:42:21 AM
Gouda won by it's familiarity and the fact I love eating it.

2 gal whole p/h milk (Oberweis)
1/4 t MM101 (Choozit)
1/2 t CaCl2 solution
1/2 t calf rennet

Warmed milk up to 85 deg F

Let culture sit for 10 minutes to rehydrate before adding CaCl2 and rennet.
Flocculation time 16 minutes (wow)
Cut curd at 48 minutes
let sit 5 min
stir 5 min
let sit 5 min
stir again 5 min
let sit 5 min
Drew off 3 cups whey and replaced with 140 deg F water warming it up to 92 degrees
Stirred 10 minutes already seeing substantial curd shrinkage.
Let sit 5 min
Drew off whey to top of curds
Replaced with ~110 deg water
Stirred on and off for 20 minutes, by this time carpel tunnel was making itself known.
Let sit 10 minutes
Knit at bottom of pan not as good as I hoped.  Not sure if the pot cooled off too much or not.

There were more curds than the mold could hold and at first I over filled the mold.  Sigh.
Pressed for 30 minutes under whey with 7.5 lbs weights
Changed over to what I affectionately refer to as the leaning tower of Gouda and it's now pressing  with 25 lbs of weight.  Brine is ready and now I go to bed and wait until 2:30 when I can get up and plunk that puppy in the brine.

Goodnight!  A)
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: smilingcalico on November 14, 2011, 03:50:56 AM
I'm not sure how much this helps as I rarely make gouda in small batches, rather in 100+ gallon batches.  My curds are well knitted though by the time my whey is drained off.  I drain at 98-99°f, and it usually takes 15-20 minutes to release all the whey.  Perhaps you could let the curds settle for about that length of time before draining off yours.  I press gently by hand under whey as soon as half the curds are showing.  Where I press, the curds quickly go under the whey, causing my good knit to get even better.  I begin hooping as soon as whey is fully drained.  Finally they go on the press.  Granted, I have a pneumatic press, but if you achieve the proper psi, we should achieve similar results.  Take this all with a grain of salt, as I  don't know with a certainty that my practices for larger batches are 100% suitable for small batches.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 14, 2011, 04:24:11 AM
Thanks smilingcalico.

I think I let it get too cool.  I forgot to remove the water bath from under the pot, which had long cooled off to about 80 deg.  Of course I didn't hand press it either.  Now I think back to the videos and how they pressed it with either weights and a sort of tamping device on a long pole. 

Anyhow, I reviewed the pressing detail I decided to pull it out of the press just short of 8 hours.  Other books using smaller molds have it using less weight than the 25 lbs I put on top of my little 5.25" mold.  Next Gouda make needs larger mold that's for sure.

It's in the brine now.  I turn it at 11:30 my time and grab a quick bit of sleep before pulling it out at 1:00 AM to start drying well out of dog nose range!
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: smilingcalico on November 14, 2011, 05:22:04 AM
Hey, your cheese looks great.  Sometimes gouda has mechanical holes or even small gas holes.  I wouldn't worry too much since you have a well formed exterior.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 16, 2011, 05:32:21 PM
Today my gouda goes into the cave (along with the eggs and feta from my non-working kitchen fridge).

I hope I got this correct, I let it age from 2-3 weeks turning 3 times a week then I can vacuum wrap it. This is a tiny 5.25" tomme mold I used.  Should I cut the time down before I vacuum wrap it?

In the mean time do I wash it? brush it?  Is it my choice?  And what if I do wash it, what do I use?  Whey based brine similar to what I made to brine it in?

Reading the different books just left me more and more confuzzled  :o
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 17, 2011, 12:59:24 AM
It's in the cave  :D
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: pliezar (Ian) on November 17, 2011, 01:17:57 AM
Your cheese looks like it has a good rind on it.  You could let it go for a while longer and rub some olive oil on the rind.  I usually use a brine (1tbsp pickling salt in 1/2 cup distilled water) to keep the rind "clean".  You could wash it with anything you want.  I did one with olive oil/salt/sage blend.  I vacuum sealed my last Gouda at 2 months.

Ian

Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 17, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
Ian, how big was your last Gouda?  Mine is only around a pound.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: pliezar (Ian) on November 17, 2011, 02:07:24 AM
My last Gouda was about 1.5 lbs (I had to go back to my notes to double check).  I only used 8L of Milk for that make.  I only aged it for 5 months.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 17, 2011, 02:20:03 AM
Okay yours is about the same size as mine.  I should have weighed mine before taking it downstairs.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: smilingcalico on November 17, 2011, 03:37:00 AM
Sorry Ellen, I can't speak much to vacuum sealing as I only vac portioned pieces. I have vac'd before, but wasn't thrilled with the results.  To keep mold off, a simple brine will do.  I am a big proponent of natural rind cheese though, so my advice is flip it regularly and let the mold grow.  I understand though since you are working with a small amount that you'd like to age it longer, hence vac seems like a good way to go.  Keep reading the posts till you decide.
@Ian, how did the sage turn out? I have a couple sage going now, wondering what they'll be like
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: Leasa on November 17, 2011, 04:21:59 AM
Hi Ellen and gang.   
I'm abit confused as what to do with my gouda? The book i used said to flip each day for a week and then wax.  Was about to wax this weekend.   After reading these post I'm not so  sure that the best thing to do.

Any ideas would be great.   
Leasa
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 17, 2011, 04:37:17 AM
A simple brine of something like 1/2 cup boiled water and 1 t of salt?  Also I saw it was recommended to not re-use brine from one day to the next, but to throw it out and mix a fresh batch for each time you need brine.

I'm just trying to avoid having the whole cheese be one big rind that's why I was thinking of vacuum packing it.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: Tomer1 on November 17, 2011, 06:37:21 AM
Whats your fridge RH?

Its ok to reuse the brine just dont double dip it because thats a sure case to get things growing in there (which is ok if you want it,but not if your looking for a natural mold\yeast free rind).

As long as its just water and salt nothing is really interested in it so I advice you to make the brine and just pour the amount you need for cleaning to a small boul ,use it and throw it.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 17, 2011, 04:05:35 PM
Sorry Tomer, I just added the bucket of saltwater so I'll be checking later to see what the humidity is up to.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on November 20, 2011, 08:50:17 PM
Tomer, the fridge is hovering around 75%
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: Tomer1 on November 21, 2011, 01:15:36 AM
Try getting it up to  80-85% so you lose less cheese to rind.
But dont go any higher because molds strive at higher humidity.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on December 07, 2011, 02:07:21 PM
It has some mold spots on it now.  Mainly browns and blacks with a tiny bit of blue.  On Sunday I treated it with vinegar and salt then rubbed it down with brine. 

Last night the mold didn't appear to be spreading any and despite being in a box the edges were becoming translucent I decided to go ahead and vacuum pack it.  I'll keep an eye on it to make sure it continues to age well.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on May 31, 2017, 01:14:46 AM
5.5 years later.....

Yes it was in my cheese cave that long. And while it didn't look too bad it tasted bitter.

So goes the story of my first pressed cheese.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on May 31, 2017, 01:15:32 AM
Let me try one photo....
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: DoctorCheese on May 31, 2017, 04:40:35 AM
Quote from: ellenspn on May 31, 2017, 01:14:46 AM
5.5 years later.....
Yes it was in my cheese cave that long. And while it didn't look too bad it tasted bitter.
When I read "5.5 years" my mouth hung agape in disbelief because I could never wait that long to eat my cheese. Did you wait 5.5 years on purpose or was it lost in the back of the fridge?
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on May 31, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
I totally forgot it was in there. I thought the cave was empty.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: awakephd on May 31, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
Ellen, what type of rennet did you use? I ask because I've read that vegetable rennet can become bitter - though I don't know from personal experience, and may be mis-remembering.
Title: Re: Ellen's Gouda #1
Post by: ellenspn on May 31, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
It was calf rennet. I think it was a problem with the pressing and the low humidity the exposed cheese was at during the drying process when forming the rind.