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Ammonia smelling cheddar
« on: January 10, 2019, 09:32:41 PM »
Hi! I’m not a cheese maker.. just a concerned cheese eater. This evening I’ve eaten some pre grated pre packaged supermarket cheese. While eating I realised it tasted a bit odd then realised it had an overwhelming smell of ammonia (like hair dye) I’m a massive emetophobe (scared of vomiting) and I’m worried it’s gonna make me ill. Iv Googled it looking for info and not seen anything concerning. But could it make me ill? I had a good 4-5 heaped tablespoons mixed with coleslaw. I’m really worried

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Re: Ammonia smelling cheddar
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 04:10:16 AM »
You are more likely to get sick from the coleslaw.

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Re: Ammonia smelling cheddar
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 02:23:19 AM »
Hard cheeses are difficult to infect -- especially long aged ones like cheddar.  There are some moulds that produce ammonia that live on cheese and it's a good thing too, because we rely on it for cheeses like Camembert and blue cheeses.  There is a thread on here somewhere where linuxboy explains how there are no pathenogenic moulds that can survive on hard cheeses.

On thing to note: ammonia is a really strong base.  If there was a lot of ammonia in the cheese and it was mixed with coleslaw (acidic) the ammonia would react with the acid and produce salts -- and would no longer smell like ammonia.  Secondly, if there was enough ammonia to make the cheese smell strongly of ammonia, then the pH of the cheese would be up around 7 and the cheese would liquify (become all gooey) -- like a well aged camembert (Fun trick -- mix cheese with baking powder to make a cheese spread... search for videos on Youtube if you don't want to do it yourself).  So the odor you are detecting is almost certainly not ammonia.  Probably it's just a funky cheddar. But remember the point at the top: there are no pathenogenic moulds that can survive on cheese.

In fact, I think I know exactly the smell you are smelling and it's actually because the cheese in your bag is *not* cheddar, but a cheddar/gouda/swiss mix -- and you aren't used to the odour of the other cheeses.  In Japan, where I live, they sell (pizza cheese) which is pre-grated, but contains whatever cheap cheese they can get on the international market.

2 lessons to be learned: 1) Don't fear the cheese. 2) Don't buy pre-grated cheese :-) (OK, I still do because without me making it, it's the only way I can buy non-processed cheese :-P)

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Re: Ammonia smelling cheddar
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2023, 05:11:13 AM »
Thanks very much - I am learning.

Two days ago I made my first cheddar and to me it looks good but it has a smell like ammonia or my daughter says wee smell

My cheese is firm - I turn it several times each day and it is dry to touch but I have been told to let it air dry for five days

Please advise if the smell will go away eventually

Kind regards

Peter


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Re: Ammonia smelling cheddar
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2023, 12:41:05 AM »
Ammonia after 2 days is *very* odd.  It should be smelling like lactic acid at this point.  If geotrichum has taken hold very quickly, then I guess it's possible that's what you are smelling.  Does is feel slimy/greasy on the outside?  You say it feels dry to the touch, so.... I have no idea...

The number of days you dry a cheese is not fixed, though.  If you dry it too much, it could crack.  When it is dry, it is dry.  Move on to the next step.