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Little or Unknown Fungi and Bacteria?
« on: February 01, 2019, 04:58:54 PM »
I'm working specifically on Tommes de Savoie, and in addition to some penicillium species I was unfamiliar with, I'm coming up with - the dreaded mucor.  I've always seen it as the kiss of death in a cave, yet I regularly see French cheese books (e.g., DK Publishing's French Cheeses) describing, with pride, the "cat's fur," "poil du chat" that comes in gray, and they're quite happy, treating it like any other wanted mold.

This morning, I came two that work well together:  Mucor lanceolatus (fungus) and serratia proteamaculans (bacteria).  Just starting into it, but it appears the serratia is able to utilize the hyphae of the mucor to sort of hopscotch across the rind.  Cool youtube of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0WIHxGrFyg

So - my problem is, where do we get this stuff?  It seems pretty "classic" to a tomme de savoie, along with various penicilli incl. the gray P. biforme.  Any thoughts on finding these lesser known cultures?
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Re: Little or Unknown Fungi and Bacteria?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2019, 08:59:44 PM »
Not sure that you can find them in a pure culture form but could you take a tomme rind and culture it? Or take a trip to France with some pitri dishes? Other option could be to talk to fugi fanatics with libraries of fungi such as Paul Stammetts of https://fungi.com or Tradd Cotter of https://mushroommountain.com

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Re: Little or Unknown Fungi and Bacteria?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2019, 06:49:37 AM »
Not sure that you can find them in a pure culture form but could you take a tomme rind and culture it? Or take a trip to France with some pitri dishes? Other option could be to talk to fugi fanatics with libraries of fungi such as Paul Stammetts of https://fungi.com or Tradd Cotter of https://mushroommountain.com

Sorry, missed this, River Bottom.  Thank you.  Yep, I did "borrow" from a wonderful tomme crayeuse rind and it came out pretty nicely, though I had to learn, IIRC, to distinguish mucor from other similarly-colored spp.  Ask me how I know that's a good idea. ::)  And I did a similar approach with the rind off of L'Etivaz - man, I love that cheese.  I've forgotten so much and given my bent I can complicate so quickly so to get wet, I may just PLA + possibly MVA + Mycodore it, allow a really gnarly growth before tamping down or brushing back, and see what happens. 

I've contacted Coquard because their listing of the P. gris is just too tempting.  Looking more, yep, this P. biforme seems to be quite a olayer.  First things first.  Like getting a good knitting, once again,

Thank you, too, for the fungi sources - very appreciative.
- Paul